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As time flies, has Hakeem legend fallen for Rockets fans?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Apr 22, 2010.

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Has Dream fallen?

  1. No -every year that passes, I realize how special he was

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  2. Yes -he can't even dominate a game, he was overrated

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  3. Didn't see him play - But I believe he was great

    78 vote(s)
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  4. Didn't see him play - I believe he was overrated

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  1. Someguy1229

    Someguy1229 Member

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    So you honestly think a C can be more effective offensively than a SG?

    I am trying to have a friendly argument with you and all you do is make smart ass responses. Please stop with these kinds of responses and I might actually respect you.

    Just answer the question.
     
  2. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    look at what the other people here on this thread say about your opinion and your logic. maybe you should respond to them first.
     
  3. Someguy1229

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    I don't care about what other people have been saying. I am asking you the question.

    I think the logic of a SG being more effective than a C makes sense since you can double team a C and make him obsolete.

    Wouldn't you agree?
     
  4. tinman

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    the answer is no
     
  5. Someguy1229

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    Ok then we don't agree and that is fine with me. See now that wasn't so hard, all you had to do was tell me what you think.

    No need to get offended by anything, sometimes two people don't agree and that is perfectly normal. :)
     
  6. Zboy

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    Yes. There is a reason why almost every team wants to play "inside-out" offense. Rockets with Hakeem. Spurs with Duncan. Magic with Shaq. Lakers with Shaq. Almost every coach you ask will want the ball to go inside first so that their team can get better shots. Spurs with talented outside guys like Parker/Ginobli and Magic/Lakers even with Anfernee and Kobe at the top of their game made an emphasis to get the ball inside first.

    Center spot is more effective on offense because he has a higher % shot and better chance to get fouled.

    Any player can be double teamed. I will give you McGrady as an example. Mavs did not double McGrady during the early games of the playoff series. As the series went on, they doubled and trapped McGrady right at the top of the key. It then comes down to the teammates creating or hitting open shots, no different than a center being double teamed and kicking it out.
     
  7. ASidd_1990

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    If we are talking about Shooting guards now, 94-95 Clyde Drexler was 10X better than Knee-Mac when he was scoring champ!
     
  8. tinman

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    there was just so much motivation for Drexler when he came here.

    1. he's never won a championship
    2. he's back in his hometown.
    3. he's playing with his old friend and college teammate.
    4. he wants to prove he's still got it since he was going up in age.
     
  9. ASidd_1990

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    But we can all agree that as fellow Rockets fans, Drexler was 100X better than T-Mac when he was scoring champ.
     
  10. Someguy1229

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    I definitely respect your opinion and I see where you are coming from.

    But then I would ask you the question, why are the top 6 leading scorers this year either SG's or SF's?
     
  11. Zboy

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    Easy. There aren't any elite scoring big men in the league today.
     
  12. tinman

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    Also, Scoring champion has nothing to do with:

    nba champion
    mvp
    most dominating player
    etc

    scoring champion is exactly that.
    the misconception is Jordan. he was always a great scorer, he didn't win crap until he learned to play defense and trust his teammates.

    duncan never won a scoring title. look at that's trophy box. magic johnson never won a scoring title. etc etc
     
  13. Someguy1229

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    Dirk, Amare, Howard, Bosh?

    Yao of course if he was healthy would be there too.
     
  14. Zboy

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    Agreed. Dominue was a scoring machine but unfortunately he has nothing to show for it.

    I was just answering his question as to why the top scorers today are non-centers. It really is sad state of affairs when it comes to quality of centers in today's game.
     
  15. Someguy1229

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    Kobe- 4 rings
    Wade- 1 ring
    LeBron, Durant, Carmelo all will most likely get a ring in there careers.

    All of these players know how to defend and be team players.
     
  16. Zboy

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    Dirk does not play center. He is a face up, top of the key player. I find it amusing that you used Dirk as an exmample of C when his whole career he has been critisized for not playing the post.

    Amare is not a C. He is a finisher off of nash's pick and roll or spot up shooter. You cannot play inside outsode game with Amare.

    Howard's offensive game, although improving, is still raw. He is no where a dominant offensive center.

    Bosh is the only player among the four who has a game with his back behind the basket, that too not full time. Due to his light frame, he can be pushed out though.

    As far as Yao, he will be in the dominant category the day he learns to hold his position in the post and learns to solve the fronting defense...after he solves the injury bug.

    If those 5 names are the best you can do in regards to best centers of the game today, well...

    Thank you for making my point.
     
  17. tinman

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    You want me to name you players who aren't scoring champions that won nba titles? that's easy

    Magic Johnson
    Larry Bird
    Hakeem Olajuwon
    Bill Russell
    Tim Duncan
    Kevin Garnett
    Isiah Thomas
    Moses Malone
    Willis Reed
    etc

    From all your posts, I've gathered that you are a t-mac fan, and you highly value scoring and that you dislike centers. after all, you did say t-mac in orlando was more dominating than shaq in orlando or dream on the rockets.

    the very idea that you think that guards couldn't be double teamed, makes me wonder what kinda of basketball you have been watching. you can double team anybody.
     
  18. Someguy1229

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    That is also making my point too, centers have become a "lost art" almost because defenses give them trouble.

    Now a lot of teams have seen that a dominant SG or SF is key to winning a championship. Some teams still rely on C's like the Rockets but now a lot of teams are moving towards the 2 and 3 spot because those kinds of players are more versatile and less likely to be made ineffective.
     
  19. Zboy

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    Then surely you understand why McGrady will never be in their company.
     
  20. Someguy1229

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    First of all, I am not a T-Mac fan please get that out of your head.

    Second of all, guards have more room to run around the court preventing the double team. Centers however can only go to 1 spot which is in the post or maybe a little farther if they have range.
     

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