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As long as there is Democracy and Capitalism I'm Good

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Sep 29, 2018.

  1. sirbaihu

    sirbaihu Member

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    Neither capitalism nor democracy is about freedom. Please try to explain yourself.
    Capitalism is about private property. I am not free to use or go on anyone's private property. It's a massive loss of freedom.
    Democracy votes on laws, all of which restrict freedom. Are people in democracies allowed to sit in the road naked doing cocaine? No. They have lost freedoms.
    Explain how democracy and capitalism are "about freedom."
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Get off lazy ass and make money

    Everyone isnt meant to have same amount of wealth.

    Edit: we can go on and so lets just say in theory they go together
     
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  3. Rocket River

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    Interesting and I think accurate perspective.

    Capitalism inherently has inequity of power. With that inequity their is an inequity of Freedom
    Capitalism is about being AS FREE AS YOU CAN AFFORD.
    We have ended up having a tiered system of freedom that is evidenced by out Justice system.
    The Rich are MORE FREE to do various things than the poor. That is a fact.

    Democracy is about the movement of power. The ceding of individual freedom for group think.
    Power is in the rules/law not the individual. The rules and law are more important than the individual
    In our society we literally break a rule or law everyday . ..the only thing that keeps us out of jail
    is that it is impossible for the government to police every action
    however
    if the government wants to get you . .. their is a rule or law ever present to get you
    Cops will follow people because they know at some point they will break some rule or law
    that will give the probable cause. . . . . .
    When every thing is against the law. . . . selective enforcement becomes the petty power of police

    The only true freedom is anarchy but even in that it is only as free as your strength to hold and defend that freedom

    The primary problem with a Democratic Capitalistic society
    is that capitalistic ideals overrule democratic ones. . . .
    In Theory Democracy can work and work well .. .the reality is what I wrote above
    Capitalism is the ultimate corrupter of any governmental system

    Socialism is Capitalism with a splash of Communism
    Communism could work . .just like democracy but the capitalistic tendencies of human kind corrupts it

    There are Economic Systems, Political System and they interact
    Capitalism is the one closest to the bases of human nature and selfishness
    so it is the one we gravitate to the most .. . . . but once it become lopsided
    it is not much different than serfdom . . . Ruling Class, Merchant Class and Poor.
    Ruling Class given it's station by divine right. . .except in this case the God that grants this power is MONEY

    Rocket River
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Capitalism is about originality no matter what industry

    On mexican cartels, they're already here

    I got it for the low low
    (TURN UP)

    OT Genesis
     
  5. sirbaihu

    sirbaihu Member

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    "Make money" is your measure of freedom?
    You do realize our economy is very heavily regulated? Elon Musk just got in trouble due to his lack of freedom. Try selling crack, Dude.
    Everyone "isn't meant" to have the same amount of wealth? Is that God's plan or what?

    Try jogging across America like Forest Gump. You'll be shot 1000 times for trespassing, thanks to capitalism and your massive loss of freedom.

    Freedom lol
     
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