As Carmelo Anthony leans toward leaving New York, Chicago and Houston emerge as frontrunners

Yeah... well Noah takes 10 shots a game for 10 points and Howard takes 11 shots a game for 18 points... so there goes that theory.

 

This was an awesome post.

But to be fair...career averages:

Noah: 7.5 shots per game for 9.9 points

Dwight: 11.2 shots per game for 18.3 points

Noah's only really been above 8 shots per game twice and that's the two years that Rose has been out. He's definitely less demanding of the ball than Dwight.

Edit: What people miss though is that Derrick Rose is not a true pass first PG. Rose shoots the ball more than James Harden.

In fact, in terms of just field goals per 36 minutes:
Howard (Career average) + Harden (Houston average)= about 25 shots per 36 minutes
Rose+Noah (Career averages)= about 26 shots per 36 minutes

 

You are right, and the Bulls scrapped their offense and ran it through Noah last year.. hence the increase in shots.

Still, the idea that Melo won't get touches in Houston is absurd. If for no other reason than the fact the Rockets play at a faster pace. If ANYONE should be concerned about touches, it would be Parsons and PBev.

 

I can't look at this thread for one minute without being annoyed by some troll.

I have at least 3 posters here on my ignore list but people keep quoting them and their garbage.

 

You may have quoted before the edit. The other stats I posted further back up your point.

I know all of the analysts have mentioned Harden's high usage rate and point out that when you take out PGs he's among the highest or whatever.

I don't think you can do that with a PG like Rose though. He is a shot creator for himself first, not other teammates like a "true PG." His usage rate his higher than Harden, and his shots per 100 possessions is significantly higher than Harden.

The usage issue is overblown here. Harden is a willing passer, doesn't take a ton of shots and is highly efficient. Honestly I think Harden could coexist with any type of player. Harden is less demanding of the ball in his two years here in Houston than Wade in Miami. Before AND after Lebron got there!

Edit: In fact, Rose and Jimmy Butler combined are used at a higher clip than Harden/Beverly, even accounting for Bev playing less minutes than Butler.

 

LOL that is no way to talk about Carl...

 

Come on Nook, you're smarter than that. Howard only has so few FGA because he's being fouled while shooting. I'm pretty sure Howard gets more "shot" attempts than Noah.

 

That is very true. Howard's usage rate is much higher than Noah.

To me the real issue though is Parsons. Offensively I don't see how Parsons can fit on the floor with Melo/Harden/Howard unless he is just a spot up shooter. He'd be better coming off the bench probably.

It's hard to see how Harden/Parsons/Melo/Howard would function smoothly offensively unless you are paying Parsons $10 million to be a spot up jump shooter, at which point you are overpaying and you aren't using him to his best skills. Plus it's not like Parsons is a good defender, so he is really sort of useless in that lineup.

A better deal would be something like Bev/Harden/3D player/Melo/Dwight with Parsons as your 6th man.

Edit: Or they all agree to work together offensively and get used less. If Dwight is happy to be a cleanup man and defender that gets the ball on pick & rolls, put backs, etc. but very rarely gets low post sets, that would be big.

 

Parsons might, Bev? doubt he'd care

 

Harden played with Westbrook.

 

I see you conveniently left out the huge number of times he's fouled when NOT shooting. If you honestly believe those possessions where it was just Dwight going to the FT line should be part of his usage in terms of shot distribution, we'll just have to disagree on that.

 

Parsons is best as a spot up shooter and slasher. He is very, very good in that role. Most of his shots are assisted and he doesn't have the handle to create offense for himself and others, though he's a good passer. He's not a playmaker therefore he doesn't really work as a 6th man. Sergio Llull would be a player more suited to that role.

Parsons does need to improve his defense, but we've seen him play good defense before. Perhaps completely eliminating his offense creation responsibilities (and his desire for a big contract) will allow him to exert more energy and focus on that end of the floor.

 

Not just Westbrook, but with Durant as well. His efficiency was absolutely incredible as a result. Replacing Asik with Dwight last year had little effect on Harden's game, with most stats actually improvingly slightly. To think he can't co-exist with other high volume scorers is ridiculous.

 

OKC Harden was the third option. His FGA and FTA per 36 have gone up. Usage% has gone from 20-22 up to 28-29. Harden is 24 yo max guy trying to be the best SG in the NBA, maybe win a scoring title, put up numbers for his next contract and hopefully have a long/good enough career to be in the HOF. He's not going to go from 25 ppg to 18 ppg with a smile.

Not ignoring hack a Howard but if I recall correctly it only happened maybe a dozen times during the season when he had over 16+ FTA in a game. In his overall FTAs it probably was less than 20%. As others have noted Noah was a bigger part of their offense the last 2 season because they didn't have Rose.

 

What are you talking about?? With Melo we would be unstoppable!!
We need to space the floor. We will take care of that defense thing with two min veterans. Big 3!!!

 

For the millionth time, if Melo chooses Houston, we should be able to obtain him via a sign and trade. That means we have the MLE and BAE.

Take your sarcastic BS somewhere else.

 

^All while retaining Parsons. It's a master plan.

In the Wizard We Trust.

 

Oh we will solve that D problem by signing Marion or Sefolosha... good then, let's do it.

Once we get Melo, why don't go for the Big 4? I think Kyrie Irving only gets $7M and wants to get out of Cleveland... Listen, we're gonna need a PG threat. He would be perfect next to Harden and Melo. We can get the 'D' with Pat, Howard and Thabo... ; )

 

Can we make a separate thread for only updates?

 

^Or we get a coach that preaches defense. Looks like were targeting a guy named Lionel Hollins. Don't try to add more sarcasm just bc you don't really know what's going on and don't understand the CBA.

Vet min. Lol.