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I think Houston is perfect compliment for Steve and Yao. Only thing is we need a point guard. Maybe if we could get a draft pick too soo we can land a pg. I'de do it under those terms.

 

If we wanted a good shooter to spread the floor for Yao, why wouldn't we just keep Glen Rice?

Career 3PT%
Rice .402
Houston .400

'02-'03 3PT%
Rice .398
Houston .396

Talent-wise, I'd rather have Mobley than Houston. Contract-wise, I wouldn't want Houston if they gave him to us.

Just because VG's our coach doesn't mean we have to take on all the Knicks problems. If we were going to trade with the Knicks, why'd we want Houston over Sprewell?

 

They get the "young" talent. We get STUCK with Houston's bloated $100 MILLION contract. This is beyond insane...it's plain DUMB!!!

Folks, it's very simple: As things currently stand with the Rockets, there are no open roster spots. CD has told ESPN this. In fact, the Rockets really don't want to draft anyone next week because they don't have a spot for them on the team.

Now all of these "proposed" trades are a colossal waste of time, effort and typing as outside of Francis, Yao, Rice (contract) & Mobley, they have no really attractive bargaining pieces. With the exception of Rice, I don't see them trading the other 3 (yeah, I expect Mobley to be here next season as he's a good defensive stopper). Cato, Norris & Taylor's contracts render them virtually untradeable given their level of performance.

The LAST thing we need to do is to help solve someone else's problems by trading for their bad contracts.

 

Ok - if all contracts were equal I would take Houston but I don't think he is that much of an upgrade to take on his $100m contract while unloading the 3 most tradeable players (besides Steve and Yao) the Rockets have.

 

Hell no.

 

F@ck No.

Ridiculous trade. Give up 1/2 of our starting lineup for a freaking shooter?

Bring on the D!!

 

that trade is crap. only a fool would do it. hello allan houston.

 

what's worst about this trade as it wouldnt take nearly that much to get Houston. Rice's expiring contract is what NY wants the most. That way in 2004-2005 they could be playrs in the f/a market. Throw in Cato and anyone else on the team they want to gid rid who has a same type of contract (shannon?) to make it work, and they would go for it. However, like Cato is very valuable as the back-up center.

 

it would have houston on the front and back of his jersey,, he would prob be the first player to have that,,,,,,i think this deal is groundbreaking

 

Horrible horrible horrible trade. Houston is a very good player earning maximum superstar dollars. NY overpaid him and they can keep him. If the Rockets made that trade I'd basically forget about basketball for the next 5 years.

Raven

 

New Yorkers wanna RAPE AND PILLAGE THE ROCKETS!!!

NO FRICKIN WAY

LIVE WITH THAT RIDICULOUS 100 MIL CONTRACT!!

Rocket River
HELL NO!!

 

i'm weird in that i prefer to not be ass-raped when i make a trade so i'm gonna say no to this one.


we're trading our 3 best trade pieces and we're not getting a backup guard, a starting pg, or a bruising pf? starting sg is not a position that's hurting us, and that's what we're taking back? houston is a better 3 pt shooter than cuttino (and ft shooter also but i'm not complaining about cat's 86% clip) while cuttino is a better defender and costs 9 million less a year. and now i'm throwing in griffin and 9 million in cap relief from rice next year? and cat is not the reason defenses aren't honest, it's eg and posey. no one doubles off cat expecting a good result.

looking at career stats, they have the same 17.4 avg, looking at last year's houston and 2 years ago cat (when they both were one of two big scoring threats on poor teams) allan scored 22.5 while cuttino i believe scored 21.8 and shot nearly identical percentages.

the only thing allan houston is leagues above cuttino in is salary.

 

HELL NO!!! this trade comes up to the one where someone wants to trade cat for alvin williams of the raps straight up.. VERY HORRIBLE TRADE!

 

Sorry New York, here's all you get:

Houston trades:

PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes)
SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 41.7 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes)
Houston receives: SG Allan Houston (22.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.7 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -7.7 ppg, -6.8 rpg, and -3.6 apg.

New York trades:
SG Allan Houston (22.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.7 apg in 37.9 minutes)
New York receives:
PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 67 games)
SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 73 games)
PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 82 games)
Change in team outlook: +7.7 ppg, +6.8 rpg, and +3.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

 

I don't want to make it seem like this is the best deal out there for the Rockets, but its not ass crazy as people make it seem. Taylor is signed for 4 more yrs and Mobley for 2. Houston contract expires the same yr as Taylor's. If Houston continues to play at this level for the next 4 yrs, how much closer are the Rockets to being a elite team? The backcourt of Francis Houston would be more effecint and better suited than the Mobley/Francis one. I don't agree with giving up the expiring contract of Rice, but Taylor and Mobley for Houston makes alot of sense. Whats the difference in having 1 big contract vs 2 medium sized ones?

 

I would do any combination of

Taylor/Mobley for Houston
Taylor/Moochie for Houston (please do that!)
Taylor/Cato for Houston

Just as long as we have enough money to sign Yao later on.

-G'day-

 

I'm beginning to think I'd do it if they did this:

MoT
Moochie
Rice
Mobley

for

Allan Houston
Kurt Thomas
Charlie Ward


What happens is, we dump two horrible contracts in MoT and Moochie. We replace Cat with Houston, but what we dump in contracts, we gain back in Allan Houston. They put Rice at the backup 3, Mobley at the 2. They put MoT at the 4, or the 5 if McDyess is healthy, while also improving their PG situation.

As for us, we're just acquiring Allan Houston, and one year of Kurt Thomas (contract expiring). Charlie Ward's contract CAN be terminated for 2M (while he would make 6M if we didn't). Kurt Thomas fills in at the 4 with Eddie Griffin hopefully developing some consistency, and after yet ANOTHER offseason, is hopefully big enough to bang in the post. That's when Kurt Thomas is gone, and we look pretty good in this trade, assuming Allan Houston takes advantage of Ming and Francis by becoming a phenomenal shooter with all the space he'd get.

It's too complicated, and there are too many "if's" for both teams. I think both teams could find better trading partners. For example, I'm sure the Mavs would give up NVE, Najera and Lafrentz for Houston and Thomas. Both teams coe out looking better, especially New Yorl:

Lafrentz
McDyess/Najera
Najera
Sprewell
NVE

Maybe with their #9 they pick up a decent SF who's ready to contribute, or they just sign someone for the MLE. Maybe they trade Ward and Frank Williams for Glen Rice?

Point being, bothteams can make better trades, EVEN if this trade (my alteration) improves both teams.

 

which deal, the one where you sub mo t for rice or the original? while the mo t one is much better i still don't do it. we still get a massive contract to only fill one position (instead of the two medium that at least get us a starting sg and a backup), a replacement for a position that has one of our 3 best players already, it is only a marginal improvement at best at sg, and it does nothing to address the fact we have one of the five worst forward rotations in the league or the fact we have no backcourt depth, and it actually hurts the forward positions even more. i just don't see how team x (in this case us) does that deal.

as for the original, it is absolutely horrible for us. while i feel cuttino is just as valuable as allan, i know most gm's would probably put houston higher. but cuttino wouldn't be far down the list. so we're almost trading equal sg talent, giving up huge pf potential (as you know, no team trades a 20 year old based on what they're doing, much is based on what they can do), AND giving up a huge expiring contract. for a pure shooting sg (he is quite offensively talented but we'd limit him just like we limit cuttino with steve and yao, while he doesn't give us the D of cat). i just can't see how we come out the better for it, especially since we essentially have no shot at cap room before ming's extension at that point.

 

I'm talking about Taylor and Cat for Houston, thats it. I wouldn't give up Griiffin and my cap clearer in Rice, but to get a shooter/scorer like Houston for Taylor and Cat would be ideal, If getting Houston meant not resigning Posey because of money, so be it.

 

Why would you make any trade that makes our backcourt defense worse than it already is?