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Artest will opt out of his contract!

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by abc2007, Jun 25, 2008.

  1. The Rock MVP

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    Shane Battier($5.5 Million) + Bobby Jackson($6 Million) + Aaron Brooks(roughly $800,000) + 2009 first round pick

    for

    Ron Artest(S&T for 3 year contract worth $32 million) + Quincy Douby ($1.2 million)


    How's this trade to you guys?
     
  2. ROXTXIA

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    Artest would want as long a contract as possible; 6 years? And I wouldn't blame him.

    I was actually wondering about such a trade yesterday. If Artest is signed and traded, isn't he BYC status? Or is that not the case for a sign and trade?
     
  3. Carl Herrera

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    1. BYC status depends on the % increase in salary for Ron. Given that he already makes $8.4, I don't imagine BYC to become an issue unless the salary is huge-- or bigger than is reasonable for Artest.

    2. I think Artest is looking for a longer deal, too... I'm thnking, given the situation, what he'll get is something like 4-5 years at around $10-11 million per.

    2. You don't trade Battier for Artest. You keep Battier or you still end up with Luther Head (or some other scrub) having to play all the wing minutes that Tracy and Ron don't play (and given these guys' games-missed histories, that's gonna be a lot of minutes).

    2. Besides, you absolutely don't overpay the Kings in a S&T. S&T are distressed asset sales. Only suckers overpay in S&Ts.
     
  4. The Rock MVP

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    I don't know much about BYC players...but maybe if he wants to be locked up long term than we can raise it to 4 years for 44 million

    1st year- 9 mill
    2nd year- 10.5 mill
    3rd year- 11.5 mill
    4rth year - 13 mill

    Lineup would be

    C: Yao/deke
    PF: scola/landry/dorsey/hayes
    SF: Artest/Greene/Novak
    SG: Tmac/Douby/Head
    PG: alston/francis

    Then we have the MLE to sign guys like Peitrus or Morey can orchestrate another trade like...

    Head + Hayes for someone
     
  5. hooroo

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    If Artest opts out he becomes unrestricted. The Kings will either be over the salary cap or under by around a million. This isn't enough for the Kings to offer Artest more than the MLE to re-sign or S&T.
     
  6. Hobbs

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    You don't really understand the NBA salary cap. The Kings can sign (and sign and trade) Artest for anything up to the maximum allowable salary for a player of his years of experience. Cap room is only necessary for players teams do not have the Bird rights to.
     
  7. Mango

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    I thought that retaining Landry would take some unspecified percentage of the MLE, yet you show Pietrus getting the MLE.

    The Rockets would be able to split the MLE between Landry and Pietrus?
    Please explain and/or link to a source that has Landry and Pietrus agreeing to sign for roughly 1/2 the MLE each.
     
  8. hooroo

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    I checked up on Artest's status. It seems like the King's do retain his bird rights if he opts out. I must've misread something somewhere down the line.
     
  9. hooroo

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    Josh Howard for Artest would seem like the logical move for all parties involved.
     
  10. The Rock MVP

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    Since I thought Landry's bird rights belong to the Rockets can't they offer him anything.

    Peitrus will not get the whole MLE anyways because he isn't worth 5 million a year.

    But if you are right then we can still split it with them because Peitrus doesn't deserve that much after sitting out most of the year.
     
  11. The Rock MVP

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    Wrong Team Forum! lol not to be bitter but how does this help the Rockets any
     
  12. Desert Scar

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    We could offer the LLE (2 years 3.9 mil with player option) for Landy than have the full (or most) MLE for Pietrus. I agree if we have to split the MLE it gets dicey for Pietrus.

    That said I am not sure who would really make a run for Landry (offer over 2 mil and/or over 2 years). Our danger is that if we use most of are MLE early, teams can offer just over what we can match Landry with. That s why right off the bat all I would offer Landry is all the LLE with a player option.
     
  13. hooroo

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    The LLE is under $2M and I think the Rockets qualifying will be more than that. Plus Morey mentioned using the LLE on signing free agents who held interest in coming to Houston.
     
  14. Desert Scar

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    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#36

    The qualifying offer will be about 600K (The qualifying offer for all other players must be for 125% of the player's previous salary, or the player's minimum salary (see question number 11) plus $175,000, whichever is greater. The qualifying offer must be for one season.

    To offer him more than that, we have to break into exemptions I believe, the MLE or LLE. Thus the only thing I would offer Landry on day 1 of free ageny is the full LLE, 2 years about 3.9 mil, with a player option. Not a stingy deal, few 2nd year rookies have better deals than that. If he gets another team to offer more (not sure he can), it gets sticky, but we can match if we havn't used our MLE.
     
  15. hooroo

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    IMO using part of the MLE on Landry is unavoidable.
     
  16. Desert Scar

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    I am not sure. Another team has to offer over 2 mil a year and/or 3 or more years. That is the kind of money (2+ mil year) 6th or higher draft picks get. For an undrafted 24 year old rookie who only played 18% of the time over the course of the season, hard to justify for a guy despite a high level of productivity during those back-up minutes.

    I still think a full LLE (1.9 year 1, 2 mil year 2) with a player option on year 2 is very fair to Landry.
     
  17. hooroo

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    Amir Johnson got a contract starting at $3.6M last off-season for playing 11 games.
     
  18. ROXTXIA

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    Well, if BYC isn't a consideration, then I would send:

    BJax (expiring)
    Steve F (expiring)
    Aaron Brooks
    Donte Greene draft rights

    The Kings wanted Brooks, and they also wanted to draft Donte Greene, according to draftexpress.

    Granted, maybe throw in Luther or a first rounder. And we would have to sign a PG free agent with what remains of the MLE that doesn't keep Landry in the fold.
     
  19. The Rock MVP

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    Might have to throw in a first rounder
     
  20. Desert Scar

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    That is totally based on his upside and because other teams might also roll the dice on him. He was 20 at the time of the contract. Landry will be 25 by next season.

    Chuck Hayes (only 6 months older than Landry), after starting the year before for half the games and logging 22MPG, got payed at 1.75 mil last year. Scola, who we had to offer enough to get him from Europe, started at 2.9 mil.

    3.9 mil over 2 years with a player option (using our LLE) might not be enough to keep Landry, but it sure might. I wouldn't offer more, though I might match a little more if I had to, but I wouldn't match too much more (extra year, extra 500K year) than that.
     

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