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Artest played far better than T-Mac tonight

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by weidong082004, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. badgerfan

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    Why don't you go back and read that thread I posted? None of the things Doc Rocket pointed out have anything to do with his injury.
     
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    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=157787
     
  3. t_mac1

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    technically tracy's not injured. it's that his knee and leg are still "weak" as compared to the other leg. that's why some has brought up his other leg is "bigger" than the one with the surgically performed knee.

    this will get better. and tracy will get better. at least the man is out there playing trying to improve himself rather than sitting and just riding on a bike. you cannot simulate an NBA game. tracy right now is working with that knee, but also trying to get a rhythm. he's been shooting the ball much better in recent games, along with his fts and 3s.
     
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    well that's your point of view.

    and it's funny you referred to the dallas game.

    we ran more isos in that dallas game than most games thus far (ron got his, yao got his) and all our 3 stars went to the line a lot (including tracy 11 times).
     
  5. badgerfan

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    So somehow his knee makes him drop his hands and stop moving once he sees he's not getting the ball?
     
  6. northeastfan

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    He must have hurt his knee many years ago, then.
     
  7. t_mac1

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    are you also referring to ron and yao?
     
  8. badgerfan

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    Ouch.
     
  9. badgerfan

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    I don't see many threads here devoted to Ron and Yao's lack of commitment/hustle.

    I do see a lot of people pissed off (myself included) over the items Doc Rocket included in his post.
     
  10. t_mac1

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    uh b/c tracy's an easy target. don't you get that?

    if tracy sat out last night and yao didn't, would you want to bet we would have threads on tracy is soft, he can't play after that injury? did we get that with yao?

    how come you see a lot of threads on alston cannot shoot and we need to trade him and yet you dont' see it for ron? does that mean ron is shooting well?

    you've been here long enough i presume to understand every year we have a target. it was francis back in the day. then JVG. now tracy. usually it involves the main guy. tracy is still the main guy so he gets most of the blame.
     
  11. badgerfan

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    Did you ever think that Tracy's a target because he does stuff that makes him a target? Like maybe whining to the press about his depth perception issues at Toyota Center? Or playing the drama queen when it comes to his injuries? Or maybe failing to stay with Brandon Roy in the Portland game?

    Nobody questions Yao or Artest's work ethic not because they're biased but because Yao and Artest are genuinely hard workers. With T-Mac even the guys at the Chron are writing in their blogs about he doesn't even warm up before games.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    ok fine.

    rafer is a type of player that people shouldn't diss that much according to your reasoning. he works hard, practices hard, plays hard, always high intensity, defends his teammates... and yet i see a bajilion threads wanting to trade him, diss him that he's garbage...

    and yet i see zero threads for ron who is shooting 34%.

    so your reasoning doesn't apply though b/c rafer gets hated on just like tracy.
     
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    Dude, I don't know if you have realized this yet, but like half the "stars" in the NBA don't move without the ball well in general. Thats why they are stars, they move better WITH the ball. The exception is teams like Detroit (when Billups was there), Utah that run that movement style offense.

    And its not like Tmac never moves without the ball. I've seen him set back picks for other players before.

    Plus, if Adelman is going to play guys like Tmac 36 minutes a game, I don't know if I want them to be running all the time. You want guys like Scola, Alston, Brooks, Wafer, etc running all the time because those guys are only getting 20-30 minutes a game.
     
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    Yeah, teams that run that movement offense--like Houston is supposed to be doing.
     
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    I don't hate Rafer. But the guy has no business starting. It's a good year for him when he even gets close to 40% on his field goals.

    Saying the Rockets would be better off with a real PG isn't hating on Rafer. It's a simple statement of fact. And that's regardless of how hard the guy works.
     
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    again, apply that logic to ron artest. what is the difference b/c ron artest and rafer shooting below 40% right now.

    rafer gets more assists, ron gets more rebounds. ron's D may be superior, but rafer is underrated defensively.
     
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    yes, then trade tracy, yao, and ron for guys who aren't as good individual players.

    don't bother to sign wade, bosh, kobe, lebron, melo, iverson, and sign guys like billups, rip...
     
  18. agentkirb87

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    Says who?

    And if Tmac is supposed to be moving around for whatever reason, but isn't because he's lazy, then thats on the coach.

    But I have a feeling that Adelman's offense he created for Houston DOESN'T involve Tmac moving around a lot. And it makes sense because do you want Tmac do be worn down by the 3rd quarter?
     
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    Rafer is historically a sub-40% shooter. You can't say he's in a slump. Ron's averaged over 40% for his career. His shooting % right now is much lower than that--you can say that he's in a slump. That's what the difference boils down to.
     
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    Says Adelman. Check out the article from the Chronicle that was posted here at the beginning of the season where Adelman talked about how he still intended to implement his system in Houston.

    I do agree though that it's on the coach to get T-Mac to conform. If he refuses, bench him.
     

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