ron def. hustles more. i think he's a top 3-4 player in terms of hustle. but thoroughly outplaying him? ron, in my opinion, is the primary reason we are struggling offensively. even if tracy does not play at all so far this season, i think the offense would be just as bad b/c ron isn't as good as he has been advertised. his fg%, ft%, 3pt% is less than a 1-legged tracy mcgrady. he holds onto the ball longer, never gets in the post but prefers to either isos or jacks up 3s... and yet " and yet you think he's showing tracy or this team how to win? dude may hustle, and we all love his effort. but offensively, he's just as bad as alston. and yet people here dogged alston despite his effort. and yet praise artest for his effort while not dogging his pathetic offensive performances. we have a lot of hustle players. we put artest here to dominate and keep this team afloat while tracy and yao recover. but yet, HE HAS PLAYED WORSE than both at their worst.
lol, that's 2 of the reasons everyone on this board dog on tracy last yr - missing fts and can't finish around the rim very well. funny how things apply to tracy
One play? Out of the whole game? That qualifies as heart? Honestly speaking T-Mac's been disappointing for a while now. His shortcomings in executing Adelman's offense have only exacerbated things.
no, not that one play. but overall, tracy played pretty well in his 29 minutes on the court. he couldn't do as much playmaking b/c of his knee (but rafer stepped up). nobody is denying tracy has been disappointing to start this year. he admitted it himself. everyone is frustrated. but what adelman's offense are you talking about? why aren't you pointing the fingers at say ron? dude holds the ball 10x moreso than tracy and just likes to go 1-on-1 at every opportunity. our offense last yr when yao left was terrific b/c tracy was healthier than he is now. when he gets healthier, he'll be better and we'll be better. i don't think you need to worry about tracy as much as ron right now.
Yeah Ron plays with a lot of heart but like most of the starting 5 he has been a disappointment so far.
we only have 2 bright spots so far this year: brooks (who's been phenomenal) and scola (who actually should get more shots)
Artest works his ass off, consistently. T-Mac doesn't. Artest holds onto the ball way too long sometimes, but there have been stretches where he's showed that he can play Adelman's offense (the last game at Oklahoma). With T-Mac you're not even sure if he's trying. I'm not the only guy who's noticed. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=157265
Funny how T-Mac fails to execute the Adelman offense but Yao or Ron don't. Get real. We're not the Kings. Yao doesn't play mid range. He plays low post. That's not Adelman offense. You people accuse T-Mac of stopping the offense and holding the ball while Artest and Yao do the same thing. Artest forces even more shots than T-Mac. Until you see that we're never going to be the Kings and that all 3 of our big 3 need the ball to dominate, which isn't working out so far, you can just keep using Tracy as your scapegoat if it makes you feel better about the shortcomings of the team.
I agree, and I would throw Chuck Hayes defense in there too, even though he didn't have much of a good game yesterday because of foul trouble. People love to point the finger at T-mac and say he plays with no heart and all that, but T-mac has played in all 12 games this year with a hurt knee and shoulder. He could of easily do what Shaq does and sit out half the season or sit out every other game, but no he is out there playing. Yes it may look like he isn't playing hard but guess what that is his personality. He's been like that his whole career, he's laidback. With a lot of laidback people it may look like they aren't trying but they really are.
I disagree, I even started a thread about this exact issue after the Oklahoma City win. It sure looked to me like the offense picked up after T-Mac went out. Ditto for the last win against Dallas.
Against OKC our offense did not pick up when he left. It basically stayed the same. Houston scored 30 points in the 1st quarter and had 50 something at halftime. That is a lot of points. Lets not act like they were struggling to score before T-mac went out. The only thing that changed when T-mac went out was the defense got better and Kevin Durant wasn't hot anymore.
lol, i re-watched the okc game on league pass. and adelman also confirmed this. 60-70% of our offense is basically JVG-like (b/c he admits yao and tracy BOTH are not his type of players who can run his offense b/c they're great individual players). when tracy played in the first half v. the thunder, our offense was ridiculously efficient as we scored 56 pts on 52% shooting. yet when tracy went out, we resorted to a lot more pick and rolls and artest isos and we ended up shooting 45% for the game and scoring 44 points. with that mavs game, artest just went NUTS. he made TOUGH SHOTS. that had nothing to do with adelman's offense. he made 2 3s in dirk's grill. ron is an admitted ball stopper. i think everone in the world knows that. but that's the way he plays. that's why i'm not blaming him (unlike you who just think tracy is the only one who stops the ball). yao also stops the ball b/c whenever the ball goes to him i nteh post, he usually takes 3-4 seconds to read the defense/double teams before making his move (either a pass or shot).
i'm sure if a guy is limping and yet he puts up 16 pts and 5 assists, he has to be trying SOMEWHAT right? just b/c a guy's eyes are sleepy and he has a calm demeanor don't mean he doesn't try. see if you can ask yao to limp his way to 16 points a game consistently. you have to exert some effort my friend b/c everybody out there is quicker and faster and more athletic than tracy right now. i don't think tracy is that good to limp his way to 16 points a game on just 30+ min of play. but hey, tracy's an easy target for criticism.
The Rockets were scoring out of isolation plays before T-Mac sat down. After he took a seat the Rockets did a much better job of moving the ball around and cutting hard without the ball--in other words they did a much better job of running Adelman's offense.
I don't think so but tonight I will rewatch the Oklahoma City game with no bias. If i'm wrong, i'm wrong. Bingo.
that's what baffling to me. yao got a minor ankle roll (and we can all admit it's very minor b/c i didn't even know when the injury happend). and he sat out one game with precautions. shane can take as long as he likes from his injury. landry took as long as he liked from the same knee injury last yr. and here we have tracy being labeled as soft, weak, lazy, doesn't care... and yet he has played in all 12 games limping his way through most of them.
try to get league pass broadband, don't know if the game is still on there and watch it yourself. and i believe we had more assists in that first half too. but it must be an aberration.
At this point there is nothing T-mac can do right in the eyes of a lot of his critics. Now he does have a few critics on here that are fair when they talk about him, but a lot of it is just bias hate. People call T-mac soft for playing and limping around while he's injured. I'm confused how that makes him soft. The same people that keep saying well if he he's hurt he shouldn't play would be the same people to criticize him if he took 1 game off. Hell some people criticize him when he is sitting out the game for 8 minutes saying he has already quit. You even have a few people who criticize him for smiling after a loss, but yet most NBA players smile after the game in a loss or win but when T-mac does it the world most come to an end. Just bias hate towards the guy is what I don't get.
He's an easy target for criticism because he's a legitimate target for criticism. I don't see how it could escape anyone's notice that there are a lot of posters here on this board who are pretty pissed off at the guy. Nope, not haters, not people who just don't like T-Mac. Just fans who are legitimately pissed off.
