Artest in....Keep Battier or trade to upgrade pg position?

Ill say it again..

KEEP BATTIER!

Sir Jackie Chiles, you took the words right out of my mouth...

 

Hollinger from ESPN said his source told him that our office want Artest here to play 4. Means Scola might be the sixth man for either inside position, and Landry is free to go if he dont take our 3yrs, 10m offer

 

Morey using that as negotiating leverage against Landry/Baker. I think Adelman will have the 3 headed wing monster rotation in TMac/Battier/Artest.

 

Only minor tweaks at this point. Let's see what we got before making any more trades. I think the MLE might be used now to bring someone in below market (chance for a ring) - if there is anyone left out there.

 

I think we should retain Battier because he will still be our VIP player as usual.

Just take a look at Celtics rosters of this year,it's obvious that we have something in common.Then I just personally compare our rosters with theirs,one on one.


Yao vs KG: Yao is younger while KG is more experienced,they both have good shooting skills,fantastic moves.KG may be better at defence side but yao can bring the rival team more troubles in offence.IN a word ,the have their own advantages over each other.Yao is exactly as good as KG.

Tmac vs Ray:There's no doubt that Ray's shooting skills is much much much ....better than tmac's,especially the 3pts shots.However,tmac is stronger ,which enables him to dribble directly towards the hoop and lay up,or even dunk.Tmac's muscles and fat makes him heavy enough to match up some posters like Brad Miller at the defence end.Their dribbles are equally good,as well as rebounds and assists.But ,in total.tmac > Ray.


Artest vs Pierceaul's salary is 17m while Ron's is just 8m.Unless Paul's contract is trash ,Ron is not as good as Paul over all.But, Ron is surely better in defence,even though Paul's defence is already pretty good.And it's hard to say whose shooting is better,the same to rebounds and blocks.Maybe Paul's gift for assists is better than artest's but Ron is more aggresive and can give more steals.However,if we estimate the two guys over all,then Pierce > Artest.It's no wonder Paul is NBA final's MVP as he is even better than Artest.
Artest < Pierce.


Battier vs Posey(has joined Hornets)uring most of his professional seasons ,james Posey was bench player.While Shane had seldom sat on the bench since he joined the league seven years ago.Shane has been always the line-up in his team, both in Memphis and Houston.The two guys are alike,both good defenders,good 3pts shooter.But ,in my opinion,Battier > Posey.


Scola vs Perkinserkins is strong but can't be thought as good as Europe's MVP.Absolutely,Scola > Perkins.



Rafer vs Rondo: As the " King of the street ball " ,Rafer has no reason not to be better than a young guy who has only 3 yrs experience.Rafer > Rondo.

As a result, Rockets is better than the Celtics.You know how important Posey is to Celtics,and battier is even more important for us.So trading Battier away is impossible,nothing is impossible but trading Battier.

 

No need to get rid of Battier to get a PG. As others have said, Alston should not be the liability now that we have Artest and Barry to take the offensive load off of him.

I have a feeling Brooks will step up and make a capable backup PG. Francis is still a mystery, but you never know.

If this team can stay healthy, it has all the pieces to be reaaally good. I can't wait for this season!

 

SPLASH!

 

I say we get rid of Battier and Alston for something else. Artest and Battier cancel each other out. I don't see any way we keep Battier, which makes me sad, but we do not need a Battier-type player when we already have a Battier-type player on crack.

 

Trade Battier, he's the total opposite of the definition of Sixth Man, the last 5 sixth men of the NBA have been all pure offensive players and not a fan of defense which is the opposite of Battier.

I think a trade like Battier and Alston for T.J Ford would be amazing, though Ford is quite injury prone, and yes more injury prone than Yao

This would be an amazing trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=976~2763~1979&teams=11~11~10&te=&cash=

 

it would be an amazingly bone-headed maneuver to trade Alston & Battier for Ford, true.

 

You mean trade?

and No it wouldn't, T.J Ford is probably a top 10 PG in the NBA not to mention he is a pass-first PG unlike every PG on the Rockets. The only reason why this trade probably won't happen is because the rockets are sending 2 veteran players for a young player although he is injury prone.

 

Battier was to the defense, what McGrady was to the offense last year. When Battier had to come out it left McGrady to play defense against the other team's best scorer. This was another contributor to McGrady becoming exhausted.

The beauty of this trade is that Artest and Battier will be interchangeable in guarding the best scorers (outside of chris paul, etc.) and relieve T-Mac of that burden. Artest also can contribute on the offensive end while T-Mac sits.

This team is through with big name trades for the season. There is still some roster maneuvers that Morey will pull off, but like the Barry acquisition they will be viewed by the masses as insignificant. Rocket fans will understand the nuances much better. Barry was a brilliant pick-up as he can play point at times. You gave up next to nothing for Artest who is one of the most flexible players in the league.

We hold all the NBA cards for Landry now. We have no need to hurry. If we have to spend our MLE on him we can. The only way we lose him now is to the European league (which I doubt).

We still have somewhat tradeable assets with SF's expiring, Hayes, Head, Novak. I look for one seemingly insignificant trade for a backup sg or pg, that will turn out to net a player who contributes to our championship. Crittedon would be awesome.

Battier is going nowhere. Book it Dano.

 

1) I totally agree with this, we need Battier in case Artest decides to jet.
2) I totally agree with this as well, Battier is a great all around person and those type of people can be difficult to find. He's become a big part of this teams success, knows his role, and is willing to do whatever the team asks to be successful.
3) I don't really agree with this. If Battier was starting and Artest was coming off the bench then yes, I could see Artest being our Ginobili. Battier just doesn't have enough offensive weapons to even be anywhere near Ginobili's output. Hopefully he won't ever be asked to do that. Barring injuries I would think we'd have 2 of our big 3 on the court about 95% of the time.

Pugs

 

the trade scenario link shows Shane B. and Luther Head

 

Well i can't edit, but I just found out those 2 contracts are the only ways you can use to have a fair deal, T.J Ford cannot be traded with another player on the Pacers, It's one of the TR rules.

 

This trade to acquire Artest actually takes almost all of the sting and pain out of losing Rudy Gay, well at least to me, it does. I thought at first that having Artest and Battier on the same team doesn’t make a lot of sense as they would seem to be redundant or the same player. Yet the more I think about it and read about this trade, there is no doubt in my mind that you have to keep Battier. Artest is in the final year of his contract and as much as we want to believe that he will go off and be the answer to our prayers, how many other times have we been let down (by the likes of Swift, Bonzi, James, etc.)? It would be tragic to trade Battier and then see Artest leave after 1 season in Houston.

Also, Rafer proved as much as I hate to admit it, that he is a very indispensable part of our team – you saw what happened to us in the first 2 games of the Jazz series last season. You could make a great argument that we win that series if he had played in the first 2 games. Besides, we had so much competition at PG at the beginning of last season, it seemed to be a foregone conclusion that Rafer would be gone. Yet he outlasted all of them (Francis, James, BJax, and Brooks). So, I wouldn’t be looking to get rid of Rafer – he actually is a valuable asset to our team and with Artest on board, he doesn’t have to be our 2nd or even 3rd scoring option now.

And I don’t think we make any other moves other than trying to re-sign Landry. Our PG depth did take a hit, but I think you have to hope that Francis can give you something and that Brooks continues to progress. Also, don’t forget that Brent Barry and even TMac can play some point. Imagine a line-up at the end that has TMac, Artest, Battier, Scola, and Yao! And there is so much flexibility with this team – you can start Alston, TMac, Artest, Scola, and Yao with Shane as the 6th man or you can start Ron Ron at the 4 and have Scola as your 6th man.

I can’t wait for the season to start – I have been excited before but this move (acquiring Artest) arguably is the biggest move the Rockets have ever made since the Yao-TMac era has taken place. I also can’t wait to see the progression of Joey Dorsey – I wouldn’t be surprised if he is playing major minutes at the 4 and the 5 by the end of the season. Oh and there are no worries at all about other teams pushing the Rockets around with Artest and Dorsey on the team.

 

Battier, with a you pick'em of Head, Hayes, Brooks, Novak for Kirk Hinrich.

If we move him, which I have to wonder if a deal was already in the works, I pray it's for a guy like this. Iverson is a guy I like a lot, but not as a point guard.

Evan

 

Actually, I was just thinking about the 2008 Celtics and they used James Posey as a Sixth Man like player, although he did not win it, I realized you probably can win with a defensive sixth man, but that may not be the case in Houston, because the Rockets are not as loaded on offense as the Celtics was with

Rondo, Ray Allen, Pierce, KG and Perkins.

I think the rockets need more offensive players especially with a PG since that is the 2nd most important position in the NBA behind Big men.

 

I'm thinking Battier will come off the bench, because we would be undersized against teams, like the Suns, Lakers, Trailblazers, Jazz, and etc.

I think you can get a good pg without sacrificing Battier. We could easily acquire a pg, like Jose Calderon, Ramon Sessions, or etc. A decent pg with who is pass first and consistent shot.

This team is still crowded...would've like to seen another player go beside Greene, since this is one year rental.

 

Jose Calderon is a stud, and the Raptors traded Ford for a reason, So Calderon is probably a future franchise player, Ramon Sessions is probably going to start for the Bucks next year. The only PG the rockets can get without Battier is a guy like Pargo or Jarrett Jack