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Artest could be out until All-Star break

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by worzel gummidge, Jan 27, 2009.

  1. t_mac1

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    adelman has to learn how to adjusth is offense depending on the lineup.

    when he plays with the 2nd unit, he can take yao's place as the post option and run the offense from there.

    but yet i always see artest outside the 3pt line either spotting up or isoing from there. that's stupid.
     
  2. Jeff Who

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    Exactly, espoecially when his ankle is hurting which means he is not very explossive or quick...
     
  3. emjohn

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    I found this to be extremely suspicious right off the bat, with Artest saying the ankle was "95..99%" following the Pistons game.

    We'll see what happens here.
     
  4. DVauthrin

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    That's on adelman, who should know how to use Artest considering they were in sacramento together. Artest on the post should have been one of the primary plays last night, but instead he was stuck shooting mostly wide open threes, which isn't his best asset.
     
  5. t_mac1

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    exactly. i don't know what the hell is adelman doing? his offense is good with the role players b/c they can't score 1-on-1.

    but when you have 1-on-1 players, you can't expect them to play like role players. you have to play to their strengths.

    it's like him asking yao to play at the high post outside. that's just stupid. it took him 3-4 months before figuring out that didn't work.
     
  6. Asian Sensation

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    The plot thickens and the drama continues. Or is it the drama continues and the plot thickens?
     
  7. realrockyboy

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    I'm starting to think the trade rumor is real now, looks like they're just gonna sit him till the deal is done, and last night Ron did play kinda weird.
     
  8. TheGreat

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    I think we can survive without Artest especially in the playoffs only if we trade him for a solid PG. Maybe Artest for Andre Miller? I dont know..
     
  9. DVauthrin

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    What bothers me is that Adelman refuses to accept the fact he has to adapt his offense for the personnel he has on this team. He's trying to fit a round peg in a square hole with the big 3. Yes, a motion offense is good for the reserves without any of the big 3 because no one can create their own shot. But how hard is it to figure out these should be your primary plays with the starters:

    1) Yao post up

    2) T-Mac/Yao PNR/PNP

    3) T-Mac/Scola PNR/PNP

    4) T-Mac iso/penetration

    And off the bench:

    1) Artest post up

    2) the motion offense for everyone else
     
  10. t_mac1

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    in the words of jon feign, he went 1-on-1 "at the exclusion of his teammates" which i think to mean he is not looking to pass at all. maybe he's making a point to the rockets trade me now?
     
  11. Uprising

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    doesn't surprise me anymore. *sigh*

    This here, is your Houston Rockets.

    Injuries...Injuries...Injuries.

    The story of the Houston Rockets. :(
     
  12. WhoMikeJames

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    Time to trade Artest. He isn't working.
     
  13. t_mac1

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    exactly. adelman is becoming just as stubborn as JVG. JVG was stubborn in playing certain players. adelman is stubborn in trying to fit his personnel.

    remember last yr to start the year, it took adelman MONTHS to figure out yao CANNOT play at the high post. and yet after every game earlier on, he wouldn't break up that thought until yao spoke out about it.

    people can say motion offense this and that, it's not for EVERYBODY.

    if we had allen iverson, would we also play the motion offense? what's the point of having that type of player if we're going to play a motion offense?

    the reason it worked in sacramento b/c all those players were perfect b/c they all specialize in certain things. and both webber, divac, and miller all can play at the high post.
     
  14. TheGreat

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    Adelman is basically playing offense for role players when we have 3 stars and 2 of them like to play iso. I dont really like Artest trying to go iso especially with his injury. Hes not fast at all, he should just stick to the post..
     
  15. TheGreat

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    Agreed, DD and I have been saying this for a while, I dont know if he still thinks that tough.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Look, Ron is in a contract year, he needs his numbers to cash in, he is NOT going to get that coming off the bench in Houston.

    Trade him as an expiring deal for a player that will play within the system, get Tmac healthy, and GO TO WAR.

    DD
     
  17. Jeff Who

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    If they get an upgrade at PG or something like that, I'd do that
     
  18. TheGreat

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    I would love a Luke Ridnour and Charlie Villanueva for Ron Artest and Luther Head, what do you guys think?
     
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    Granted the support cast will be better than in years past, but the fact is without Artest (or someone close to his value in return for a trade, which I am doubtful will happen), we will be going into the playoffs (assuming we make it)

    with

    Alston
    Mcgrady
    Battier
    Yao


    as our starting 5 with Scola being somewhat of an X factor (wasnt there in Playoffs 07). These 5 will get the majority of minutes. What is best case scenario? Scola and the rest of the cast getting past the first round? Artest had me thinking contender earlier; perhaps that was foolish. The other major assumption is that McGrady will return to at least his form of last year's playoffs.

    Frustrating to say the least....
     
  20. GermanRoxFan

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    if he's rested because of a trade i'd like to do the following trade with the bulls:

    artest + alston + head

    for

    hinrich + nocioni


    why the bulls would do the trade:

    1. financial reasons. artest and head are about 10 mio $ of expiring contracts. also, rafer's contract is pretty cheap and only runs one year longer.

    2. derrick rose. he's a star in the making and their new go to guy. they need to build a team around him. hinrich is too talented and makes too much money to be a backup for rose. nocioni is getting 30 later this year. he also has a pretty high and long contract. when the bulls will be done rebuilding he'll be in his 30s and earning too much so they might be best served in trading him now.


    why the rockets would do the trade:

    1. upgrade at the pg position. hinrich is making a lot of money but he's younger than rafer and more talented. by giving up artest hinrich becomes affordable.

    2. chemistry. nocioni and scola know each other very well. and while artest has done nothing wrong as a rocket it's pretty obvious (and always was) that he's not quite fitting in with t-mac and yao. nocioni on the other hand has (like scola) no problems with being a role player and he seems like the ideal player for adelman's offense. imho, wafer + nocioni > artest. role players that know their role and play it efficiently are a lot better than borderline star players who try to do too much on their own (especially in adelman's offense).


    off course, this trade only makes sense if the bulls really want to give up on their season and if the rockets want to give up on the majoriy of their cap space in 2010.
     

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