back at you sweetie Well there's a light in your eye that keeps shining Like a star that can't wait for the night I hate to think I've been blinded baby Why can't I see you tonight? And the warmth of your smile starts a-burnin' And the thrill of your touch gives me fright And I'm shaking so much, really yearning Why don't you show up, make it all right? Yeah, it's all right. And if you promised you'd love so completely and you said you would always be true You swore that you would never leave me, baby: What ever happened to you? And you thought it was only in movies As you wish all your dreams would come true It ain't the first time believe me, baby I'm standin here feeling blue Yeah I'm blue Now I will stand in the rain on the corner I'll watch the people go shuffling downtown Another ten minutes no longer And then I'm turning around The clock on the wall's moving slower My heart it sinks to the ground And the storm that I thought would blow over Clouds the light of the love that I found Now my body is starting to quiver And the palms of my hands getting wet I've got no reason to doubt you baby, It's all a terrible mess I'll run in the rain till I'm breathless When I'm breathless I'll run till I drop, hey The thoughts of a fool's kind of careless I'm just a fool waiting on the wrong block, oh yeah Light of the love that I found...
1. Well, I just meant in the "artist must frame or he sucks" dogma you espoused earlier. I know you were being blunt on purpose so I used a harsh "puritanical" adjective. A great deal of "historical" art is still infomring artists today so I am not sure how you could try to say that some are "now" and others are "historic". Nothing ever really begins and ends - technically, DaDa was a 19th century movement. They just didn't call it that until younger artists took over the ideas and Tzara wrote his manifesto. 2. Off the top of my head, no I cannot give you a big list of contemporary people who do not frame their own. Or how "big" of an artist they would have to be for you to know the name. I just know it happens a lot all over the world. Mondrian - pretty sure he did most or a lot of his own. He even invented a design for frames. Dada - too many artists to even consider but I can guarantee you that a lot have been reframed. Rothko I am not sure (all he would care about would be the frame being simple and not distracting) but I do know that many of his work has proved to be very unstable and his estate was even sued for this (stupid, but reflects condition) so I would not be surprised at all about reframing. Even just recently the MOMA reframed a bunch of modern and contemporary works for their re-opening. 3. I still don't get this...we were talking about the process artists framing their own work so Houston-New York has nothing to do with that as I was not speaking of Houston artists. I also am not sure if you mean that my ideas are only informed by Houston (or greatly restricted by)...which would be odd and silly. 4. "art sucks" - rimbaud
1. fair enough don't disagree with the rest 2. you could be right, but i don't know any artists who are unconcerned with framing. i know about mondrian and his frames. rothko didn't frame and dada works tended to be pretty self-contained. duchamp, for example, worked closely with cornell on his portable museum. his ready-mades obviously needed no frames, context was the "frame". and the new moma sucks by the way. 3. just talking about working artists. your perspective is different than mine. i don't mean to put houston down or imply that your knowledge is confined therein. just saying the scenes are different. 4. totally agree
So you are saying I know more about Houston artists than New York. I am not a fan of the new MOMA, either, but it is better than the Tate Modern. Not every M&C museum can be the Menil, though...too bad. EDIT: I think this thread might have more typos for me than all my other posting on this bbs. Color me embarrassed. I blame it on my mind being on that horrible game.
