Now I'm confused. Are we supposed to become the Fortress America of the 1930's? That worked out well, didn't it. Hey, just because George Bush has had a disastrous foreign policy doesn't mean every other President is, including President Barack Obama. Impeach Bush/Cheney.
Bush's foreign policy is a continuation of the policy of looking for monsters to destroy that Truman started. But there's a huge distance between that and pre-WWII mindset. We don't have to stop interventionism all at once. You know, cut the trillion dollars we spend on imperialism by 20% or 30%, bring home troops from say 40 or 50 of the 130 countries that we are helping protect. You know, act in our best interest as a country, instead of arrogantly presupposing that we know what's in the world's best interest.
At least obama can confront and get back up from a 'slap down'. Mccain was supposed to visit el salvador, but was advised to not go.(right wing is about to collapse) Now that is being a chicken! Paying a visit to colombia and felipe calderon does not count. It's like when the U.S decides to play the word cup qualifying matches, against Mexico, on neutral grounds, far away from mexican fans. =) As for mccain's foreign policy, his involvement with the IRI should say enough. Mccain should wake up every morning and thank god he was held captive under evil commies, and not by a nationalist guard from E.S. Otherwise, he might have been decapitated on sight.
It's becoming quite clear to me that the conservative posters here are more like anti-obamatrons than anything else. No matter what Obama does, they will find a way to spin it into a negative.
It's worse than that. Some here have no problem perpetuating outright lies. The desperation is palpable
I mean, when i read things like, why would Obama have a rally in Germany I just roll my eyes. First of all it's not a rally for Germans, it's a rally for Americans....obviously Obama is trying to show that he is popular abroad to audience back home. The target is still Americans. He's trying to battle against the image that he can't be strong on foreign relations. It's so obvious, why would someone ask "Why is he campaigning in Germany" Now here's a better question - why did McCain go to Columbia????
Hum...? Was the Bush administration behind Merkel's reservations about Obama's speech? From Der Spiegel... And the German government isn't just reacting out of respect for Bush during the twilight of his presidency, as some reports have alleged. The respected Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper reported this week that a member of the Bush delegation approached Merkel's foreign policy advisor, Christoph Heusgen, at the G-8 summit in Japan to discuss misgivings about Obama's planned speech. The government is also acting out of respect for Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who has long enjoyed strong ties to Germany and good personal relationships with a number of high-level government officials in Berlin. And it is in no way a given that McCain will lose the election. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,565080,00.html
More evidence the Bush administration had a hand in Markel’s comments via TPM -- More On The Bush Administration's Opposition To Obama Speaking At Brandenburg Gate By Greg Sargent - July 11, 2008, 10:37AM Yesterday I noted that Germany's Der Spiegel had reported that the Bush administration was privately trying to block Barack Obama from making a speech at Berlin's historic Brandenburg Gate. Now Der Spiegel has more, citing another German report that actually has an American official on the record shedding light on what might really be going on here: This American official is openly letting his hostility to the idea be known. Meanwhile, Ben Smith reports that his German-speaking readers have found reports in the German press saying that an American official "berated" a German official about the speech idea. This definitely warrants some follow-up reporting. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/
slap me and i'll slap you back Huge crowd hears Obama urge U.S.-Europe cooperation By DAVID ESPO and DAVID RISING Associated Press BERLIN— Before an enormous crowd, Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama today summoned Europeans and Americans together to "defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it" as surely as they conquered communism a generation ago. "The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand," Obama said, speaking not far from where the Berlin Wall once divided the city. "The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand," he said. Obama said he was speaking as a citizen, not as a president, but the evening was awash in politics. His remarks inevitably invited comparison to historic speeches in the same city by Presidents John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan, and he borrowed rhetoric from his own appeals to campaign audiences in the likes of Berlin, N.H., when he addressed a crowd in one of the great cities of Europe. "People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment. This is our time," he said. Obama's speech was the centerpiece of a fast-paced tour through Europe designed to reassure skeptical voters back home about his ability to lead the country and take a frayed cross-Atlantic alliance in a new direction after eight years of the Bush administration. In Die Welt, the German publication, Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, R-Mich., said: "No one knows which Obama will show. Will it be the ideological, left-wing Democratic primary candidate who vowed to 'end' the war rather than win it, or the Democratic nominee who dismisses the progressing coalition victory as a 'distraction'? Will it be the American populist who has told supporters in the United States that he will demand more from our allies in Europe and get it, or the liberal internationalist hell-bent on being liked in Europe's salons?"
Can it get any worse for the Republicans? Geez, seems like everything is unraveling. Almost a perfect storm.
Police spokesman Bernhard Schodrowski said the speech drew more than 200,000 people, more than double the estimated 75,000 he drew in Oregon this spring.
Full speech: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/24/obama_delivers_berlin_address.html?hpid=topnews
