So let me make sure I'm getting this right, even if Blacks commit more crimes, the arrest levels need to be equal for all races? So let's not worry about arresting "criminals", let's just arrest the same number of each color?
I don't think you have this right. People are not saying arrest numbers have to be the same, they are saying that police should not stop and scrutinize people of color more than they do others, and the justice system should not give harsher penalties to people of color than they do to others.
Act imperious and disassociate myself from the statistics of black conviction and incarceration rates compared to other races.
I think this is more of a male problem than a race problem. The arrest rate racial disparity disappears when you look at females. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-49-black-men-38-white-men-arrested-by-age-23/ The study found that the prevalence of arrest for females increased from age 18 to 23, but the variation between races was slight. At age 18, arrest rates were 12 percent for white females and 11.8 percent and 11.9 percent for Hispanic and black females, respectively. By age 23, arrest rates were 20 percent for white females and 18 percent and 16 percent for Hispanic and black females, respectively, according to the study.
I agree fully with your statement as far as how things should work Unfortunately I don't think most people (black or white) necessarily see studies like this in that light
I think you are misunderstanding the two prevailing general camps on this issue. Camp 1 are those people who think the reason people of color are arrested and incarcerated more often is because they simply commit more crimes -- this camp generally denies that racism is a problem in America (either because they do not think it exists or because they think it is justified). Camp 2 are people who think the reason people of color are arrested and incarcerated more often is largely due to police scrutinizing and stopping them more often than they do so to whites and judges giving harsher penalties to them for similar actions than they give to whites. These people (myself included) think this disparity is due to racism, and that it is a problem that needs to be addressed. You seem to think that there is some other group of people making up the majority of those claiming a racial bias is at fault for the higher arrest and incarceration rates who want cops to ignore crimes being committed to make sure that arrest and incarceration rates are equal -- and I just have never once heard anyone say that is what they wanted. No offense, but, isn't that a classic straw man that you are setting up?
Nice job trying to moralize contrasting perspectives on an individual data set. "Dissociating" oneself from an event that affects a small percentage of one's cohort is certainly more fair-minded and objective than conjuring up notions of some nebulous "privilege" purportedly allocated between 200+ million people.
If you thought the Civil Rights movement was a success... Things like this and the police corruption in Ferguson surprises you. “I*freed a thousand slaves. I could have*freed a thousand*more if only they knew they were*slaves”. Harriet Tubman.
I don't understand the outrage at all ? Black people commit more crimes hence more of them are in jail. You don't see the outrage from the Chinese or Indian population here about prison statistics lol.
Agreed completely. Quick story for all, I'll give you the short of it. Keep in mind I'm a 43 year old white guy. Not that it means anything more than I don't agree with what goes on in this country regarding this issue. When I was 15 my best friend (black) was shot and killed. He was dating a white girl and her family hated it. So basically they invited him to their house to "talk" about things. When he got there the girlfriends brother shot and killed him at close range with a shot gun. They then called the police and said he broke into the house. No signs of forced entry whatsoever. Everyone knew it was bs including the cops, but they did nothing about it. The brother was allowed to enlist in the service to get out of it. It was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever seen. Is there racial profiling? Absolutely. Is there a massive problem everywhere with this? Without question. Is there an end in sight to reach true equality? Probably not in our lifetime. We've made great strides over the last fifty years, but there is so much work left to be done.
You didn't deny imperious. I didn't coin or invent the concept of majority privilege, nor did I summon it through voodoo. You can chastise me by considering yourself superior of a trait of your own choosing but it doesn't refute majority privilege. I'll move beyond a simple data set (incarceration) and declare that the criminal justice system is skewed against black males in a way that simple rhetoric of "then don't break the law" doesn't begin to answer the problem. While the initial focus is on arrest rates, also related to this discussion is that being a black man means there's a higher chance of getting pulled over and/or getting searched. Nor is it lost on me that a similar proportion (~10%) among blacks and whites use mar1juana while blacks are 6x more likely to be arrested for possession in quantities intended for private use. The point behind this is that both races show a similar disregard for that law, yet white law breakers are more likely to get away with it. If moralizing means pointing to incarceration rates and demographics, which anyone with half a mind and google can drudge up the disparities, then your objectivity counter needs some recalibrating...Trees->Forest While you may point numbers of being part of an overwhelming majority to your single data set (never been arrested), the opinion in poll results indicate a different majority opinion among blacks.
You make too much sense for the "race-card-playing" dudes to actually listen to you. Your comments are falling on deaf ears. They won't admit that what you're saying is right.
If you think minorities commit more crimes [aka the false premise] . . .they you are just willfully blind or stupid Rocket River
Maybe they just aren't as good at it so they get caught more often? LOL kidding. I think there is a strong tie between poverty and crime and a tie between single parent families and poverty. The percentage of single parent families and poverty in general is higher among certain communities, thus a higher percentage of criminal activity. Doesn't that make sense? I think if you were able to neutralize the crime statistics and isolate the numbers based on SES of the criminals I think you'd see the racial disparity disappear for the most part. Maybe not, who knows?
So a study of crime statistics that removes the government/law enforcement element from the equation and gets their data directly from the victims of crimes should show that minorities do not commit more crimes on a per capita basis? Have you ever heard of the NCVS? Do you want to take a guess on what is says about the crime rate among different races in America?
