I can respect this. At the end of the day, you were honest. You admitted you had a bias in the issue, but that's your right. Like I said, my only point was really to pay respect to our fallen solidiers. They put their lives on the line so we can enjoy ours. I can't do anything but pay the upmost respect to that. I was just dissapointed with some of the stuff I saw here.
thank you for reminding me why i promised myself i'd stay out of D&D, entirely, a couple of weeks back.
I was really depressed when I heard about this, it is so sad and it is a double tragedy for me as a Muslim, so I have been mourning twice. This man has dishonored himself and his faith with his actions, he let his emotions and negative experiences inform his misguided interpretation of Islam so he decided to go out in a blaze of glory (or disgrace to be more accurate). Muslims are supposed to honor and protect their neighbors and honor their contracts or any agreements they enter into. I was happy to read that local Muslim leaders tried to tell this guy that he was not right, and they seemed to try and direct him in the right way, but at last his personal frustrations and resentments overtook him and he sought to murder a bunch of his colleagues. This is sad You really believe that Islam preaches murder and suicide, let alone ANY other religion? Anyone with a hint of knowledge of Islamic holy texts can tell you that there is unequivocal prohibition of murder and suicide in Islam, regardless of the cause. This new age interpretation of jihad among the extremists is a cancer that has spread across the Muslim body in the last few years and it is sad that clearly anti-Islamic phobes like you would use it to denigrate the faith of more than a fifth of the world's people. I would ask you to provide theological evidence that murder (meaning the unlawful taking of someone's life) and suicide (the unlawful taking of your own life) are legal or halal in Islam, but I am afraid your agenda is transparent and therefore no use in engaging you in a discussion.
I dont understand. So because (if) an terrorist attacked a military installation its not a terrorist attack, only if its on civilians?
it is one of the deadly sins to draw a parallel for my Christian brothers and sisters here, and it grants you automatic admission to hell in the hereafter. But there are a lot of other things that are difficult to forgive, and Islam in general differentiates between man's shortcomings in his worship, meaning his dealings with God which can be forgiven, and man's shortcomings with his fellow man, which must be settled in a fair manner or otherwise you will be punished for it in the hereafter. The Quran is crystal clear on murder, saying he who murders just one man unjustly is as if he murdered all of mankind, and he who saves just one life is as if he saved the whole of mankind. My religion is not a terrorist loving religion and it does not encourage murder and suicide, in fact Islam only allows the waging of violence or war in retaliation for aggression, so only in self-defense. it is really unfair and hurtful to me when people make these claims about the faith I love and practice and try to uphold in my daily life
Yes, generally that is true. The target of the attack is usually the biggest component of labeling an attack "terrorist" in nature. Of course there are gray areas and not everyone agrees of what is or is not "terrorist", but the willful targeting of civilians is generally agreed to be the key aspect of a terrorist attack.
No, just showing you how stupid your comments sound. Yet, you retaliate with something that makes you look even worse. Congrats, Ari!
I addressed this before in the other thread but PC has very little to do with this. They could've discharged him for several other reasons having nothign to do with his religion. Considering that evidence shows that part of what drove Hasan was insults from fellow soldiers over his religion perhaps we haven't become PC enough.
on a completely unrelated note to this weird ass thread, President Obama had some very nice things to say today at the memorial. here's just a few lines...
Does it count as a terrorist attack if he emailed Al Qaeda, but they didn't respond? Lock him up. Investigators Found E-Mails from Hasan to Al Qaeda http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-...l-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873
If Hasan regarded this killing spree as a jihadist act prior to committing it, then this was an act of terrorism.
If Awlaki was never found to be part of alqueida, how does hasan become linked with them if all he did was contact this one nut case?
how do they make that link to al queda? The article says the same thing.. 2 hijackers attended the mosque and Hasan contacted the imam of the mosquee.
It is really a stretch to say he tried to contact "Al Qaeda" when what he most likely did was just keep in touch with an Imam at a mosque that he used to frequent, trying to seek spiritual advice. Even if this Imam is a radical guy and he supports and justifies terrorism, that does not make him an Al Qaeda. I have to think if he REALLY was Al Qaeda then someone would have nabbed him off the streets by now. Based on everything I have read and heard so far, this whole Al Qaeda contact theory is a farce, and largely driven by speculation and wishful thinking to try and connect this to a worldwide War on Terror. Evidence is still lacking in support of that view. So far, what we know about this guy says he was the lone gunman, it says he was disenchanted with the military and his pending deployment, it says that he held some pretty radical ideas about what a Muslim should or should not be, and that he may or may not have yelled "Allahu Akbar" before he started shooting. His crime was probably informed by his religious and nationalistic views, which is probably a given for most people, but that does not make him an Al Qaeda. So yah, no link to the War on Terror or 9/11 just yet. You have to try really hard to make that connection right now, and it does not hold up to scrutiny.
