Why are you so scared to own up to what you are doing. Who are you trying to convince that you where not using that post as a rebuttal? And yes a question can be used as an argument it's done all the time. Real question. What is your endgame here? Do you just really like trolling even when everybody is on to your game or do you really think anybody actually thinks you are trying to engage in meaningful conversation? At least Dach, Mojo, Dagger and others actually have a dog in this fight, what is your deal?
https://apnews.com/856bfff9dc582b934ff8f60c7cb3af28 DALLAS (AP) — The congregation at a Texas church where two people were fatally shot had repeatedly given food to the gunman, according to the pastor, but had declined to give money to him, angering a man who court records show was deemed mentally incompetent for trial in 2012. It’s unclear whether Keith Thomas Kinnunen’s extensive criminal record and psychological history would have barred him from legally buying the shotgun he used during Sunday’s attack at the West Freeway Church of Christ in the Fort Worth-area town of White Settlement. Kinnunen, 43, shot worshippers Richard White and Anton “Tony” Wallace in the sanctuary before a member of the church’s volunteer security team shot and killed him, according to police and witnesses. *** Kinnunen was charged with felony assault and battery with a dangerous weapon after he attacked the owner of a Chickasha, Oklahoma, doughnut shop in 2011, court records state. He was separately charged with arson that year after allegedly starting a fire in a cotton field by tying tampons soaked in lamp oil to the crop. Earlier on the day of that fire, Kinnunen soaked a football in the accelerant, lit it on fire and threw it back and forth with his son, who was a minor, according to the arrest affidavit. The boy told police he was afraid his father would get mad if he asked to stop. A forensic psychologist who examined Kinnunen in 2012 for both cases wrote that “Kinnunen currently evidences signs that are consistent with a substantial mental illness and that meet the inpatient criteria of a ‘person requiring treatment.’”
Maybe the NRA and their lackeys in Congress should listen. We have all kinds of safeguards for cars, we have safeguards for pools, and really those aren't items designed to kill people. So what are those safeguards for mass murder with my 2nd amendment?
Ah yes, the good guy and bad guy argument. Back to cartoon justice. Only two innocent church goers murdered this time. More guns equals not more violence but more street justice just as God and our forefathers intended. Funny in most mass murders I see about fifty cops trying to stop one bad guy. Maybe you should post those pictures.
Gun crime actually goes down when there are more guns... deterence. Not sure why it is hard to grasp. I think the childlike notion of banning x to fix y is often clung to out of ignorance and pride. And it ignores the realities surrounding the issue. It isn't a simple issue... as everything has a chain of cause and effect that will play out.
These charts are pointless... a completely unhomogenous population of 350 million with the biggest income gap in the world means comparing them to other "high income" countries means nothing. A huge issue on both sides of the spectrum is average minds not showing humility and polluting the public with more misinformation to feel important.
So gun crimes increased despite more control lol. You just gave me more supoort. Also those cherry picked countries have something the US doesn't.. I will let you guess.
Nice, it's the blacks and the browns. A completely unexpected blame game from you. We've gone through the entire gamut of gun nut rationale. Cars, swimming pools, deterrence, non-homogeneity. Ding!
This is what it's like debating people who use alternative facts in the post truth Trump era. There's no point.
Don't know but gun violence really has four components that I would identify. Suicides, mass shootings, gang violence, and just regular ole gun violence maybe throw in accidental shootings. It wouldn't surprise me if gun violence overall has fallen since the late 80's mid 90's when gang violence and the crack epidemic was out control. Increased gun ownership doesn't deter gang violence or suicides or mass shootings in my opinion but it may well deter regular gun violence/robberies and such. It's a complicated subject where local and state gun laws are rendered ineffective when neighboring towns and states have lax gun laws. Gang violence in Chicago for example, those guns most likely don't come from Chicago they come from neighboring states like Indiana. One thing that is not helpful is all of the dumb arguments about cars, swimming pools, homogeneity, good guys and bad guys, etc. What would be helpful is for Congress to stop screwing around and at the very least support studies on gun violence.
Have seen this piece referred to a couple of times in the last day or two. Have NOT had the time to work through it to see if it makes sense, but may interest folks here. fwiw https://opensourcedefense.org/blog/geographic-evidence-that-gun-deaths-are-cultural
Why is there never a gray area on the gun debate? How about more gun control in the form of background checks, automatic registration, fingerprinting, etc. While also coming up with better safety measures? If Samsung and apple can come up with a fingerprint reader that forces me to scan my finger so no one breaks into my phone, surely we can do that for a gun, right? Couple these things together. Make a longer wait period. Register the owner's fingerprints and do a substantial background check. Then, make it mandatory that guns have a fingerprint reader and a fingerprint must be registered to the gun at the point of sale. At that point, only the owner can register more fingerprints that the gun can work with. From there, if your gun is used in a crime, you've got to pay the Piper. Surely we have enough technology to execute this. Problem is, the gun but with enough money don't have enough brains, and are clinging to the 250+ year old document, citing these measures as an invasion of privacy.
Good guys with guns...much more common than the church shooting... Father and daughter killed in hunting accident after being mistaken for deer, South Carolina authorities say
