People make choices everyday that leads to their death Hell . .. The people in the restuatance chose to goto Burger King . . so getting robbed that day was their own fault. Rocket River
You can deal with your own morals of when deadly force is self defense. Most people agree that someone holding a gun implying he will kill you unless you give him money qualifies for deadly force.
State you case then. At what point is deadly force acceptable? He already had a loaded gun threatning to kill people. What else does he have to do?
Have you considered that might be due to them having less guns among their populace? You did say complete gun control would: Never used a Mesa but I hear they are nice amps with nice crunchy tube like distortion. That said I'm pretty happy with my Marshall. I usually don't use the speaker but just the amp head and plug that into PA. Obese or not training has a lot to do with it and I doubt many violent offenders have enough training to be effective. If you watch the early days of the UFC when they had guys who weren't much more than street brawlers allowed in those guys were quickly dispatched by trained fighters even when they did the small guy versus big guy fights. You are right an attacker has the luxury of initiative and I'm not going to say martial arts training can stop all or even most attacks or make up for edges in size and initiative but good martial arts training and practice can provide a lot of personal protection and in a society without guns would be a very valuable.
I agree. But I think that the largest advantage would be the feeling of safety which is pretty important and which is a big reason most people legally carry handguns. Mesa amps get kinda pigeon holed into one sound which is far from the truth. I have a Heartbreaker which is actually two different amps in one box. It goes from pure Bassman on one side to Mark I/Fender sound on the other. Oh yeah just to add, blows to the head, throat, or spine are considered deadly force. So be sure you know the laws before you do that.
I think the number of renegade Wild West 'duelists' would go down considerably when others start shooting them in the back for pulling out their weapon threateningly in public. Also think about a robbery in itself, it normally happens in a home invasion where no one is home. If the robber even senses that the home might be occupied, more often than not he will avoid it. Now, if everyone is ARMED (including women), I think that would be a huge deterrent for most criminals. I also think that crimes like rape and kidnapping would go down considerably as well. Now, my biggest beef with gun control is that you're never going to get rid of guns, period. The only people that will have them are criminals and the government (synonymous terms IMO). Then you're relying solely on the police (way more ineffective compared to a trained group of armed citizens). I have a big problem with letting those guys have all the firepower. Most 3rd world countries are where they are right now because they were unarmed and were taken over by superpowers interested in their territory and natural resources. If we can agree that the majority of people are law-abiding citizens, why take the guns away from them and only let the criminals have them? Absurd to think this is the best way to reduce crime.
Good luck finding this story reported all over the mainstream media. They do NOT want you to believe that citizens can and should defend themselves. Call me crazy but I'd take a CHL guy on the spot any day over a cop (who is going to probably be just as good a shot, and will take longer to arrive). Plus the CHL guy has the element of surprise. I guarantee that if you saw stories like this every day, crime would go way, way down. No one would want to commit a crime in a public place.
I see! Then that person would get shot by someone else, and someone would shoot THEM, and zomg within a matter of minutes we'd all be dead!!!
You are right. Lets not make the criminals angry at us! How about a reply sometime when someone calls you on your BS?
Crime and criminals are not going away Until we perfect society . . .they going to be there. Criminals thinking everyone has a gun will deter some but . . . others will simply take a more aggressive stance and more 'pro-active' Shoot First mentality that will result in a rise of fatalities QUESTION: If you can GUARANTEE that Robberies and thefts would be cut in half, how ever Murders will rise by 25%. Would you do it? How about 10%? Would you do it then? At what point is one Extra Murder worth a cut in Robberies and thefts? This does not even touch the question of people on the street being judge jury and executioner. Rocket River
If you really have a problem with this, your anger and effort should be against police officers, not CHL holders. They have a much more liberal ROE and authorization to use deadly force. They also kill way more people, and it isn't even close.
I'm not against handgun ownership but I don't think they are as much of a guarentee of safety as people think and there are a lot of risk to their use. In an instance like this I think while the person might've thought he was doing the right thing he was irresponsible. I'm not looking to buy another amp but next time I'm at a music store I will have to check out a Mesa. Completely agree and I always stress the importance of knowing the laws and most importantly not overreacting.
1) the 'shoot first' criminals won't be able to empty their first magazine before someone drops them dead. Pretty big deterrent imo. Look man, people may be crazy but most criminals do not want to get killed or maimed. Your question is idiotic, robberies and burglaries are likelier to result in a murder than most other crimes (obviously). So if you cut down on robberies there's no way murders will go up. I would try to avoid murders of law-abiding citizens as much as possible. Your judge/jury/executioner argument: A person who goes through the trouble to get a CHL is probably competent enough to figure out what is a life or death situation, and is probably a very good shot and proficient with the weapon. The problem with police is that they are often even MORE trigger happy, especially to people who pose little to no threat. America has been brainwashed to be wimpy wimpy sheep zombies, it wasn't long ago when everyone owned a gun and left their door unlocked at night. BTW if you really want crime to go down, throw out our current government who created this economic crisis. People with no $ = more crime
I would like to post 1 question here: If guns are so important, and can help law-abiding, reponsible citizens get rid of scumbags, then why do other countries, like Britain, France, Canada, China, India, don't have problems with scumbags waving guns everywhere, overrunning the whole place? Surely without the precious gun then criminals can rob whoever they want and never get stopped by citizens?
Dunno the exact reason but Americans are pretty insane, with our schedules, lifestyle, stress, and mental issues. Those countries also seem to be more cultured. Plus most people in America don't carry concealed weapons, which is the main deterrent to crime. Just having one in your home or car isn't always good enough.
