Stopping an attempted armed robbery. I think that guy is going to get some time for at least manslaughter. Law doesn't like private citizen to do law enforcement job beyond self defense.
So the customer knew that the robber had a gun, and he got into an argument anyways? It looks to me like the customer was trying to start a gunfight.
Absolutely right. If the CHL guy truly felt threatened then he would have acted immediately to defend against a threat to his life. The fact that the CHL eyeballed the armed robber and then argued with him shows indicates that the CHL was trying to be a badass and ended up getting shot for his efforts. People like that should not have a CHL and their acts of bravado end up endangering others. What if the CHL had missed the robber and hit a kid? Then the CHL would rightly be locked up.
Definitely the robbery hasn't occurred yet. Depending on the circumstances, attempt armed robbery may also be questionable.
Yeah, but armed robbers sometimes get shot. It's like saying "you play with fire, you DESERVE to get burned." It's not a punishment.
So IF the robber shot the 'hero' . . . . would you think the same? He played with a guy with a gun Rocket River
Ok, you mean morally he deserves to die? The law says not. The law concerns the moral soundness of our society as well. What if the supposed robber was going to a march Halloween party and decided to get a burger on the way and forgot to take his mask off? Very unlikely, but possible. That's the point that private citizen should not be making a judgment in this type of situation.
I don't think he was playing with fire. He was trying to put out the fire. To play with fire means to take a foolish risk. His actions were not foolish, they were admirable.
His actions were foolish because he started an argument with the robber and subsequently started a gunfight with the robber in attempt to look like a badass and ended up seriously wounded.
Kind of like firemen and policemen try to look like bad asses all the time... They guy did what was right to a person who has done many things very wrong. You should to come to terms with it.
Exactly. People aren't even reading the article: "The robber entered wearing a ski mask. He approached a clerk, showed his gun and demanded money, said Miami police spokesman Jeff Giordano. A customer eyed him and the two started arguing. The customer had a concealed-weapons permit and his gun -- and the two exchanged gunfire." It looks like robber demands money with gun. CHL dude tries to act all tough because he has a gun of his own and argues with robber, pulls out his gun and shoots first and robber reacts wounding him. There is no way the robber shoots unless CHL guy reveals his weapon.
I understand that you really want the armed robber to be the victim here but this statement is nothing but utter nonsense.
There is a reason that robbery becomes aggravated robbery when someone does it with a deadly weapon, whether or not they use it. Brandishing a weapon indicates intent, or at least willingness to use it. It is inherently an indication that you are willing to use it to get your way. To say that 'he was waving the gun around but he really wasn't going to use it' is an argument that doesn't hold water. Once you are willing to threaten other people and commit a crime with a gun, you unleash a panoply of outcomes that includes you dying and you killing someone 'even if you don't really mean it'.
Kinda like how this guy was NOT a fireman or a policeman. He was a civilian turned vigilante. You should come to terms with the fact that the CHL paid for the consequences of his actions as well. He's shot up like a piece of meat, has taken a life (even tho the robber brought it on himself), and will in all likelihood loose his CHL given that he provoked a confrontation with the robber. Fortunately, no innocent bystanders were hurt in the confrontation.
The article didn't say whether the guy demanded money. I don't think the would-be customer cop here would get a murder conviction here, but very likely he will get a manslaughter conviction.
