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Ariza, stop bashing him.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RedRedemption, Oct 20, 2009.

  1. HowsMyDriving

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    look man, i'll put it to you this way. ariza has always been a team-first player, and has always accepted his role. if he's playing more selfishly or more ball-dominant now than he has in the past, its because he's been given the green light by the coaching staff. unless you think your opinion of his capabilities - based on watching him in preseason and two games - is more informed than the opinions of the coaching staff, then you need to accept that Trevor will be learning on the job, and trying to do a lot of things he may not be great at right now.

    this is, in all likelihood, a 35-40 win team. keep in mind that the supporting cast, the role players, for your team are going to be a middle of the pack team in the western conference. when we can add a centerpiece, this will be a really good team. up until that point, stressing about all of this is silly. Let them all learn on the fly this year so that when next year rolls around we'll have a confident, skilled, versatile nucleus that has been through it once, and can play the type of multifaceted game that the championship-level teams play.

    as an example: popovich (and spurs fans) used to yell at tony parker and manu ginobili, before they developed their games. parker was almost traded. ginobili was constantly turning the ball over. with time, they got better, and now they are both legitimately top 10 players. that doesnt happen without the initial awkwardness and learning phase.
     
  2. rhino17

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    who says they are expecting anything more than an average player?
     
  3. HowsMyDriving

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    I would put that number around 60%. Only because he hasn't ever had the freedom to develop. in orlando he was a raw defensive wing. in LA he developed into a solid practice player and worked on his spot up shot, and added those to his game. at no point has he ever been given the freedom to create, drive, and do the things he's doing here. he's never needed to do any of those things honestly. now he gets the chance. if he develops some of the other skills, then you have a tremendous value having him here for the MLE. If he doesnt develop those skills then you have James Posey for the MLE. either way, its a good deal for the rockets, and all upside.
     
  4. nickb492

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    Attitude is one of the reasons he was released. Along with the money issue why do you think he isn't playing in the NBA. A player with an attitude or brings drama to the team affects the chemistry. Bad chemistry no matter how good you are affects the team's ability to play together.
     
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    Ariza has shot close to 30% on his 2-point attempts through preseason and the first two games of the regular season.

    Is it expecting too much to want that to improve?
     
  6. rhino17

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    except neither Manu or Parker were 6 year vets who had been around the league long enough to show their potential
     
  7. rhino17

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    Wafer had very good chemistry with his teammates on the court. I have yet to see that while Ariza has player. When he has the ball, the offense becomes stagnant.
     
  8. MrButtocks

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    Ariza's learning a new role, there are going to be growing pains. For those of you complaining about his troubles when he gets to the rim, just be glad he's actually getting there. He obviously not as one dimensional as people thought he was in lakerland.
     
  9. HowsMyDriving

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    Ginobili was 25 when he joined the spurs. and he wasn't nearly the player he became later on in his career.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    But he could dribble.

    DD
     
  11. rhino17

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    Manu was still a rookie at 25. Again, Ariza has been in the league for 6 SEASONS.
     
  12. rhino17

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    He is getting there and not finishing. Shane Battier can get to the rim and not score, so can Chuck Hayes. That is not any kind of accomplishment. He certainly has shown he is a limited offensive player. He is a good spot up shooter, but not capable of driving and finishing.
     
  13. HowsMyDriving

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    you know what, you're right. clearly he has had the freedom to develop his game completely while not being used in orlando, or asked to play a role in LA. matter of fact, why don't you go tell Morey that he made a mistake in getting a young developing wing at a bargain basement price.

    i'll say it for the fourth time. Ariza has not been given the freedom to develop his game until now.

    Please, come up with some other excuse to hate on a guy who is developing. You wanna hate on someone, hate on tracy mcgrady's lazy uncommitted ass for taking up $23M of salary cap room and doing jack squat for your team.
     
  14. HowsMyDriving

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    now you are just making stuff up. please stop.
     
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    You'd think if he was that good he would have developed in 6 years. A 6 year vet "developing" :rolleyes:
     
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    i'm sorry that you cant understand that. its not hard.
     
  17. Outlier

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    Basketball is still basketball overseas. 25 years old is still 25 years old. there's still room for growth. it just depends on the player. you're making a terrible point here.
     
  18. rhino17

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    well maybe Shane will develop into a playmaker on the offense. He is only a 10 year vet and has never really been given a chance to be anything but a role player
     
  19. nickb492

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    Guessing you didn't see his comments when they drafted Taylor and Budinger. Or his acting like a girl cause he wanted to stay in during an important game during the playoffs. Great player, wrong attitude. Ask DD I think he has gotten over the depression. :D
     
  20. HowsMyDriving

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    he also does not have the physical tools that Ariza does.

    Ariza was drafted as a PROJECT that was never developed. go read his draft bio for god's sake.

    Trevor Ariza Draft Bio
     

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