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Are you willing to die for the economy?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by IBTL, Mar 25, 2020.

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Are you willing to die for the economy?

Poll closed Apr 14, 2020.
  1. Yes Im willing to die to possibly improve the economy

    11.4%
  2. No I don't think the economy is worth dying for

    88.6%
  1. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

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    The Republicans are playing with fire in that way they speak about the economy. This is the greatest opening they've allowed the Democrats in a long long time. All the Democrats have to do is sit back and talk about how the Republicans want to sacrifice life for dollars. And it's not far off from the truth. The part the Dems won't tell you is that they could give a damn about gramps anyway. They can capitalize on this easily though and will.
     
  2. Corrosion

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    Don't get me wrong - under the right circumstances , I'd lay my life on the line for not only my kids but yours too ....


    But this is just stupid - none of us want to die for simple economic reasons or because people are ignorant as fk and continue to spread this mess and overwhelm the hospitals.
     
  3. dachuda86

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    China really screwed the world man....
     
  4. Corrosion

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    We should have closed the country down to any and all international travel early on - until that mess was under control .

    Returning citizens should have been quarantined.

    But that's such a dramatic measure - people would say you are over reacting cause the threat isn't real to them until people around them start dropping dead.
     
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  5. ThatBoyNick

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    Same. I was making a joke based on this interview with our very own lieutenant governer!



    He's all in! Let's get back to work! Flaten grandpa's EKG, not the economy!
     
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  6. Corrosion

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    He'll get the boot soon enough. That wont age well.
     
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  7. malakas

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    It is a false dillema.
    Whether everyone goes back to work or not, the economy will suffer because the deaths and the disease will be coming non stop.
    Who can go out and spend in restaurants and bars, buy clothes and shoes when there is a plague?
    People may at start act normal when the deaths are a few hundreds..but what about when they reach the thousands and hundreds of thousands? Millions?
    It isn't even just the old who die. Working age people in their 30s-40s-50s and 60s. The more youhg people are infected, the more will die.
    Noone can be sure that they are safe, it is like a russian roulette. Noone can guarantee that their immune system could fight this disease, when healthy and fit people are dying.

    The only part of society that could go back to their normal life is children and teenagers.
     
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  8. malakas

    malakas Member

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    The thing that worries me is that soon there will be a way out for the economy to go back in its feet. The antibody tests.

    That's excellent if used appropriately. Use it on healthcare workers, on essential workers like policemen, on known recovered cases to make sure they are safe to go back on their duties. They could receive a scientific seal of approval on their safety and immunity.
    But there is very easy to see how this can be abused.
    There will be employers who will encourage and pressure their employees to get infected so they can get immunity, which now will be able to be quantified and certified.
    There will be many people in desperate situations who will want to get infected, because a positive IgG test, will be an advantage to keep or find jobs.
     
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  9. Corrosion

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    We didn't start isolating ourselves until around the 13th of the month - we're just now creeping up on two weeks out from that which is roughly the incubation period.

    IF the numbers don't start dropping in the next week to ten days , particularly outside of New York , then I might panic a little but until we see the results of the isolation / social distancing measures we've taken , I'm not going off the rails.


    Lets see where we stand between now and say April 6.
     
  10. malakas

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    It shows effects after about 2 weeks and it depends on the rate of isolation.

    If 70% then it can delay the curve for 20 days later,
    if it's 80% of the population then it can flatten the curve.
    If it is Wuhan like then it can eliminate the disease.

    But as you said Houston MUST stop all new flowbacks from NY and other epicenters like New Orleans. MUST asap.
     
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  11. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

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    He won't get the boot. there are too many in Texas brainwashed by fox news and they'll vote (R) straight ticket just to own the libtards.

    They've already turned their backs on science and accepted a reality where truth, compassion and understanding are non-existent.
     
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  12. The Real Shady

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    It's a balance between staying at home to stop the spread, and how long that would take. If it comes down to the collapse of the US government and losing my ability to have a nice job I'll gladly accept the .04% chance of dying for my age group to return to work.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    I think the collapse of the US government is on the wrong side of your equation.
     
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    collapse of the US government ?
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    The biggest risk isn't deaths directly related to the virus. The biggest risk if we stop social distancing and quarantines too soon is that the hospitals will be overloaded to the point where there won't be beds for people with other illnesses or injuries. If there is between 10-20% hospitalization rate for a virus that has an infection rate of around 3 to 4, then this will happen if we prematurely end social distancing.
     
  16. The Real Shady

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    Depends on how long people are forced to stay at home. US can't keep printing money forever.
     
  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    No, but I understand the question as if we drop into a recession or depression, even more will die.

    If you look at the COLD HARD FACTS, most of the people dying are not that productive to our society - and thus are the least important - now that is not saying grandma or mom or dad or grandpa are not important to us, but if you are taking a top down view - it makes sense to take that risk to save the economy.

    It is just not humane, but statistically, I understand the argument. I would hate to be the one making the calculus on what the breaking point is? A lose lose proposition.

    DD
     
  18. SamFisher

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    It can do it as long as it wants.
     
  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    This is true, if we did what the UK did where they are paying 80% of the salary - then we could more easily fight this but instead, we rushed through a SAVE the companies package....that will backfire and make the rich richer...

    DD
     
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  20. The Real Shady

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    True, but I don't want to end up paying $50 for a cheeseburger next year when I get to go out.
     

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