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Are you glad that we no longer have an undersized weak rebounding PF?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Mar 9, 2013.

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  1. LCAhmed

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    Still have T Jones, Royce White, T Rob as tweener PFs....
     
    #21 LCAhmed, Mar 9, 2013
  2. Carl Herrera

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    Here's my theory: HOU's PFs will get blamed for being bad rebounders as long as Omer Asik plays most of their available minutes at C.

    On the defensive end, Asik takes away a higher proportion of defensive rebounds than all but 2 NBA players this year (Reggie Evans and the injured Kevin Love). So, there are considerably less defensive rebounds available near the vincinity of HOU's PF.

    On the offensive end, the team puts a premium on spacing and the PF is in the paint less often than that of an average team-- Asik is the one guy who is asked to go for the offensive board consistently.
     
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  3. omgTHEpotential

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    That's probably the first post of yours that I agree on.
     
    #23 omgTHEpotential, Mar 9, 2013
  4. heypartner

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    Cause and effect. You say Asik takes all the rebounds. The other Cause could be that Coach could know his PFs suck at rebounds and design defenses based on that.

    As much as PPatt was my favorite Rocket, he is not a good rebounder -- no better than Maurice Taylor. Nothing you have said can change that.
     
    #24 heypartner, Mar 9, 2013
  5. NotInMyHouse

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    Maybe it's time to dig up Sleepy Rodriguez once more? You (we) need a change of pace.
     
    #25 NotInMyHouse, Mar 9, 2013
  6. OremLK

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    This theory would make a lot more sense if:

    1) Asik wasn't playing only 30 minutes a game (18 minutes with him off the floor)
    2) Patterson wasn't already a terrible rebounder last year (he was awful)
    3) Other players like Harden and Parsons weren't managing to get theirs

    In reality, Asik may take some rebounds from the PFs but it's not near enough to explain how terrible Patterson and Morris were. Any way you look at it, they are still bad rebounders.
     
    #26 OremLK, Mar 9, 2013
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    Excellent post.
     
    #27 AroundTheWorld, Mar 9, 2013
  8. Artie_Fufkin

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    What is this -- how you say -- Spinal Tap?
     
    #28 Artie_Fufkin, Mar 9, 2013
  9. OlajuwonFan81

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    Will you continue to debate this issue everyday for the rest of the season? We understand you hate TRob and love PPAT......time to move on.
     
    #29 OlajuwonFan81, Mar 9, 2013
  10. Carl Herrera

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    Pat had no hops last year due to injury-- everything was way down for him.

    A more interesting thing to do would be to see how he does for the remainder of this year in SAC-- same year, similar health condition, different teammates.
     
    #30 Carl Herrera, Mar 9, 2013
  11. Carl Herrera

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    Pat had no hops last year due to injury-- everything was way down for him.

    A more interesting thing to do would be to see how he does for the remainder of this year in SAC-- same year, similar health condition, different teammates. So far, Pat is getting 17.9% of DReb in SAC as compared to 13.7% while in HOU. We'll see if this holds up. Meanwhile, the new starting PF Motiejunas has a 11% DReb% and had 1 rebound in each of the last 2 games while Asik breasted on the boards.

    There is less competition for boards between C and wing than there is between C and PF. Both C and PF tend to be around the paint while the wings are more often getting longer rebounds and loose balls in other areas.

    Also, around 66% of Patterson's minutes come with Asik also on the floor. So, there is substantial overlap.
     
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  12. AroundTheWorld

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    #32 AroundTheWorld, Mar 9, 2013
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    LOL, why are people still talking about Patrick Patterson? Honestly I've pretty much forgotten about him already. Do people still talk about Cole Aldrich as well? I get that Patterson had a pretty sweet jumper but other than that he was completely worthless as a basketball player.
     
    #33 Bobbythegreat, Mar 9, 2013
  14. Carl Herrera

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    One refers to the offensive end, the other the defensive end.
     
    #34 Carl Herrera, Mar 9, 2013
  15. WinkFan

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    Asik's numbers are so high because he has no good rebounders around him. They weren't this high in Chicago, where he played with some good rebounders. As far as Evans goes, 2 years ago Humphries put up the same rebound percentages playing with Brook Lopez.

    If we had a PF who was a decent rebounder, he would put up decent numbers. Asik gets some of his rebounds because there is no one else to get them.
     
    #35 WinkFan, Mar 9, 2013
  16. Verbal Christ

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    Asik gets alot of rebounds because he's a good rebounder. novel huh? his acclerated stats showed this while in Chicago, why else would Morey go after him? He boxes out well, and has a skill for following the ball. Saying he only gets his boards because of a lack of players who hit the glass is unfair to Omer. Harden gets his boards, so Does Lin and Parsons, so I dont know why fans this late in the year are going to nitpick and keep acting butt hurt about turning the page on a couple of guys who were solid yet nothing special, and rolling the dice on hitting it big with one of the young guys. I wouldnt be surprised if they still sign Josh Smith in the offseason, then maybe some of you crybabies will get over it.
     
    #36 Verbal Christ, Mar 9, 2013
  17. Arthurprescott2

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    It's only a temporary setback, Carl. Don't get jump off a cliff yet. D-Mo and T-Rob will be proficient soon.
     
    #37 Arthurprescott2, Mar 9, 2013
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    Well it would be nice to have Josh Smith on the team so there would always be someone to hand the game to the other team in clutch situations.
     
    #38 Bobbythegreat, Mar 9, 2013
  19. WinkFan

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    Asik is a very good rebounder, but he gets additional rebounds because of the guys around him. If he were rebounding at the same rate as last season in Chicago, he'd average a little over 10 boards. It's just like how Lebron and Wade average slightly fewer points together then they used to seperately.
     
    #39 WinkFan, Mar 9, 2013
  20. justtxyank

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    For the love of God, I hope Morey trades for Patterson this offseason so Carl can have his binky back and stop trolling the GARM.
     
    #40 justtxyank, Mar 9, 2013
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