well said outlaw...what kind of a weak minded person would move because of the president...umm okay?? words here are not going to convince people otherwise and making arguments of this or that does not change the fact that his credibility is highly questioned and more people in the United states voted for gore...pure and simple... that is the plain truth and i am not even debating the electoral college...he didnt win the popular vote and someone running against him did.. he has no credibility and republicans cant get over that...waaaah waaah waaah... who cares about technicalities that promote winnning..except for OJ and you people that are insecure about your president that is currently in office...he's already a lame duck in my mind.. just an observation at the end of the day though i could give 2 sh*ts either way.. ------------------ "no matter how good she looks someone... somewhere..is tired of her sh*t"
I still find it amazing that people can not accept that he won fairly. ------------------ Nice guys finish last ... and im surely not going to finish last!
This is a rediculous comparison. 1. One involves a colony and ruler spread out over the ocean, not divided by an imaginary border. 2. Kuwait was slant drilling (stealing) oil with equipment from the US. 3. Iraq responded with weapons (and consent, 5 days before) from the US, giving them a heafty advantage. 4. US-led forces then go in and bomb the hell out of Iraq, resulting in little change to Saddam, but a world of misery for both Iraqi and Kuwaiti civilians. Yeah, they need to be tough like Americans and not let themselves be bullied. BK, GWB had doors opened to him that no one on this BBS has had, so saying he went to Yale and Harvard biz and no one here has is really irrelevant. That does not prove anything about his intelligence (or even lack thereof for opponents). Harvard especially has turned into an "old boys club" caring more for the support and money of wealthy elite than for academic standings. That is why it has slipped noticeably. Yale has some of the same issues, but at least they try harder to maintain credibility. Do you really think Bush would have been denied entry to Yale, though, after his father's legacy? Again, this is nothing personal against Bush, just a criticism of the system f allh cases. So do not try to imply that I am a Gore supporter! ------------------ Take an object. Do something to it. Do something else to it. " " " " "
Outlaw, you missed my point. I didn't like or support Clinton the past eight years, but I never: * Claimed he wasn't my president * Called into question his legitimacy Clinton was the POTUS. I lived in the US. That made him my President. I wasn't rooting for him, obviously, but I am a firm believer in the rule of law and as such I accepted him as the legitimately-elected leader of our country. The lefties ought to try being even a shade as magnanimous towards Bush. Christ, if Clinton was a 'terrific Republican president' as Achebe likes to claim, then Bush should make a wonderful Democratic president. ------------------ Things are tough all over, I know what you mean... --Damon Johnson
Clinton also... * Never lost the popular vote, yet won the electoral vote and... * Never had to get the help of his Daddy, Brother and 5 Supreme Court Justices in order to "win" a Presidential election Any questions? ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker
The law states you win by electorial vote. Why is this so difficult to understand? In basketball, whoever has the most points at the end of the game wins. Thats the rules! His daddy? Is that not the reason of campagning? And just what did he do? Go hold a gun to everyones head and tell them how to vote? At least he didn't sell his country out and leave an open door to the white house in exchange for money. His brother and the Supreme Court? That is all irrelevant!! Isn't that why I started this thread? The guy lost to his own home state and the current presidents state and Bush won his own home state and his brothers, which should not have been a surprise in the first place. ------------------ Nice guys finish last ... and im surely not going to finish last!
Clinton didn't win a majority of the votes in either election, and he was impeached during his second term. It's about as reasonable to cite those facts as indications of Clinton's illegitimacy as it is to claim that the election laws of Florida AND America (as well as the United States Supreme Court) were illegitimate arbiters in making Bush president.
Rimbaud, you aren't the first one to make this arguement, but it doesn't hold water. GW Bush graduated Yale in 1968 and Harvard in 1975. I couldn't find in a quick search when he entered the colleges, but I think 1964 would be a safe bet on Yale -- and he probably applied in '62-'63. At that time GWH Bush was a Texas oil businessman, at a time when there were a lot of Texas oil-men -- and Bush was a small fish in that pond. In fact, GWHB lost his first election in a Senate bid in 1964. He was elected to, and served in the House 1966-1970. In 1970 he lost his second Senate bid. In 1971 he was appointed the US ambassador to the UN, and in 1973 he was appointed chairman of the RNC. He didn't become VP until 1980. So GW's father had no legacy when he was in Yale, and probably not when he started Harvard. Yes, he had some money, but certainly not enough to make him stand out in that crowd. He was an allumnus of Yale, which could have helped with the admissions process, but wouldn't have gotten him special treatment. Neither of those schools gives degrees away -- certainly not 25-30 years ago. Harvard business school has always been well respected. ------------------ Stay Cool...
Why not? I'm rooting for Bush. I don't agree with many of the things he's proposing, but I don't necessarily want them to fail if their success would make this country a better place. I personally think it's un-American to not root for your president, no matter who he is. ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
Well, I think it's un-American to propose that the government take over and run 1/7th of the economy-- health care-- so I didn't root for Clinton in that regard. I wanted him to support the legislation I liked, but because he generated exactly zero proposals I agreed with, I didn't find myself rooting for him. Most of what Clinton did was intended to benefit the Democratic Party and its constituents. I sure wasn't rooting for that.
BK: I understand your feelings but wouldn't you prefer it if something worked rather than relying strictly on what you believe will or won't. You have no way of knowing whether your theories or ideologies will prove successful if implemented. Neither do I. However, shouldn't the goal be a safer, more peaceful, healthier environment in which to live? I know you don't agree with the Democratic philosophy or with Clinton. But, what if some of it with which you didn't agree worked? Isn't that really the ultimate reason for electing politicians in the first place? ------------------ "You know what they say about the music business. Here today, gone TODAY! - Chris Rock at the MTV Music Video Awards
dc, That was my point - the Bush's are a kind of dynasty, or political aristocracy started by GWB's grandfather. There are quite a few of these (even non-political). Therefore, I -- coming from a nobody family in a depressed neighborhood and from a horrible public school would not get the same consideration as a young Bush (or whoever) even if our SAT's and GPA's were identical from high school. My statement of Harvard I still stand by having noticed from observation and from insiders (alums from many different generations). I doubt they would all lie about their alma mater. ------------------ Take an object. Do something to it. Do something else to it. " " " " "
On a national level bush did not receive as many votes as gore... therefore why listen to the 2nd most popular candidate...he has no credibility you freak.. I did not like gore either but accept the fact that your man bush was 2nd...you cant and you wont because it hurts i know...just like OJ he won on a technicality...OJ knows what happened..so does bush..he was second best... comparing him to clinton doesnt hold water as clinton received the most votes of the candidates he was running against.. i think clinton sucked as well so do not associate me with that party... i am tired of the political 'i am better my candidate is better' crap going on here...bush sucks...gore sucks..if you cant truly see that you suck... by the way I love comparing bush to OJ for some reason... ------------------ "no matter how good she looks someone... somewhere..is tired of her sh*t"
Interesting correlation. Race once again seems to be a major determining factor in the thinking of both these situations. Blacks (for the most part) thought OJ was innocent and didn't vote for Bush. Whites (for the most part) thought OJ was guilty and voted for Bush. Again, interesting idea. Not saying it is true. But you can't deny the implications. ------------------ Everything you do, effects everything that is.
To be specific, white men. Women overwhelmingly supported Gore. The fact is that more white men vote than any other group. ------------------ "You know what they say about the music business. Here today, gone TODAY! - Chris Rock at the MTV Music Video Awards
Our forefathers once had their tyrant and his military; It was called Britian. But the only diffrence was they got up and did something about it as opposed to sitting around getting their asses whipped. Space Ghost, that's much easier to do when (A) your enemy has an ocean to cross to fight you and (B) your enemy is not armed with tanks, missiles, chemical weapons, and no conscience. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
Here's something I find interesting about the reasoning of some people. On the one hand, they believe Bush is the biggest idiot to ever come along. On the other hand, they believe he was capable of orchestrating a way to steal the presidency of the United States. Can't have it both ways. By the way, did anyone else find it interesting that last night Kennedy would not stand up and applaud what his own dead brother accomplished? ------------------ The sky is falling! [This message has been edited by TraJ (edited February 28, 2001).]
Sure you can have it both ways, if you happen to believe that he stole the presidency, which I don't. Just because he's a r****d doesn't mean the people he's surrounded by are. Maybe Kennedy was pissed because Bush couldn't even remember that his brother was president 40 years ago, not 20 like Bush said. ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
Whether they have an ocean or not, the patriots were vastly outnumbered. It was a militia .. basically, a bunch of farmers with no skills or training. Now in the middle east, all males have to serve in the military, so at least they will have training. It doesn't take a tank to stop another tank, especially those crappy made soviet tanks. Missles are mainly used to destroy large craft or buildings, not individual people. Why would you want to uses chemical warfare on your own land? And much like the Iraqi government, they had no conscience about killing traitors. Its not like they are trying to fight off the largest empire in the world, its a country that was laid to waste just 10 years ago. ------------------ Nice guys finish last ... and im surely not going to finish last!
