Who said it was??!!Your the one creating NBA 2k11 starting line ups.... Simply put, the dude is a fraction of what he use to be and obviously on the decline. You must be the president of the Shane Battier fan club (along with a few more of your buddies on here)!! The stats prove he is doing nothing to positively influence the game to a win and the last time I checked Morey was a stat guy....and his stats suck,plain and simple (for those who say his stats dont matter=stupid)..........IT IS WRITTEN! !! I GO HARD IN THE PAINT....
We need to get out of this "high production/low salary" and "intangibles" mindset that morey has brainwashed everyone with. We need to demand more than intangibles and make morey and our FO more accountable. We pay for the tickets but we treat morey like a wizard/demigod. He has no pressure from the fans to make riskier moves and all the incentive in the world to keep on doing what he's been doing.... keeping this team in mediocrity. Its really tough to post on this board with so many of morey's drones atking you when you go against the grain.
You're a smart poster, so I'm going to assume you're just choosing to have an opinion that is opposite of dozens of NBA coaches, managers, and commentators. Can't really argue with Blink's post, just above mine, but that doesn't seem to be 100% Battier relevant.
you pretty much implied it...to get guys like those that you mentioned, houston has to give up something of value. Morey can't own everyone. That means they may have to not make a trade or give something up. In other words, creating that significant upgrade at the SF spot will probably leaves us with a downgrade at another spot. Miami is a perfect example. You get huge upgrades at three positions and are forced to downgrade severely in one position, possibly two. If battier goes for Iggy and we lose, lets say brooks, in the process, then we'll hear about how Lowry needs to be upgraded eventually...not realistic to upgrade every single position. So who's stats are positively influencing the game to a win? Incase you haven't noticed, we're not winning, so there can't be many players on that list, if any.
Shane was brought in under much different circumstances to play a role that's different than what he's forced to play now. Roll your eyes all you want. I'll give you a start: he was valued for his ability to give the ball to a certain 7'6" center right where he wants it, when he wants it. i won't waste my time mentioning the other things he could add on a Yao-Tracy team that he won't add on this identity-less team we have currently. Maybe it is time for us to consider our options, but hating on Shane Battier and calling everyone else drones is a little short-sighted.
Unless he is a necessary piece of a trade package for a star player, I don't see the Rockets trading Shane Battier this season. The Rockets have a proprietary formula they use to determine a player's true value. According to the organization, Battier's true value is greater than his salary. However, other teams may not value Battier as highly or in the same way. This likely results in either (a) what the Rockets view as "lowball" offers for Battier or (b) other teams not valuing Battier as highly in trade talks with Houston. So as long as the Rockets are not able to get what they view as "fair value" for Shane, he's not going anywhere.
Yes... battier was brought in under the yao/tmac era to fulfill certain roles.... but guess what? That role wasn't enough, even when tmac and yao were healthy. We needed a 3rd scorer and, instead, our 3rd best player was mr. Intangibles. Remember that playoff game where only ... what... 4 ppl scored the entire game? I do. Intangibles aren't winning us games. If morey was smart enough to see that ariza wasn't going to be worth his contract, I don't see why he doesn't realize the same about shane.... and I bet he does but can't trade him because no one wants him. So let's not overrate shane... especially now that he's not worth putting in the starting line up
No, I didnt imply anything!!Why imply when I can just type it?!!The guys I mentioned would not cost the rockets anymore than it would cost them to get anybody else at the same tier of talent.Everybody always talks about how deep we are at just about every position but center, then if so how is there that much of a down grade if you are just going to fill that spot with a player on your DEEP roster? Miami can never be compared to the rockets in any form or fashion,period! Different scenerio and ofcourse different players (super stars)...... We are not speaking of upgrading at every position, but one can obviously see the need for more scoring on a consistent basis at the 3 spot....and that is the argument/point. ....and we have a few players that positively influence the game like; Scola, Scola,Scola and i almost forgot Martin.....they are the only constants, while the others are up and down. ......IT IS WRITTEN.
Battier, has been showing stints of age slowing him down since the start of last season. In my eyes Shane is the leader in the huddle, the mentor at practice, & the go to go guy in the locker room. But of course he could be all that somewhere in a team full of young talent.
Do you have any evidence to backup this assertion vis-a-vis Battier or is this kind of like your comment about how Les Alexander and the Rockets were going to be in luxury tax hell this season? If this is the case then there are some serious flaws in that formula.
They are still paying luxury tax as of right now, although it now looks good that they will be able to avoid it. BimaThug cannot predict the future, some of the Rockets' moves were unexpected. I'll take BimaThug's well thought-out posts over your random spewing of stupidity, hate and ignorance any day.
Until he sleeps with Yao Ming's wife or mom, yes, we are stuck with him. He brings a lot of good things to the table (veteran presence, defense, leadership, humanity) but it is becoming difficult to justify the minutes he gets based on his offensive skills. There is no reason he should not be on the team but for the life of me I can't see why he gets 30 minutes each game. Believe me, I have had a love-hate relationship with Shane Battier over the years (no-homo), but trading him now while on the cusp of possible disaster would be foolish...unless we can get Melo with a 4-year extension attached. Then again I also want a date with Brent Barry's soon-to-be ex-wife. Longoria just isn't my type: would not hit.
Wait. IIRC, neither of us wants Battier on the team and would favor his departure for a youthful, athletic upgrade. But to totally deny the Rockets don't have some sort of spreadsheet mumbo-jumbo flies in the face of the obvious. The obvious being the Rockets over rate Battier. Battier is the $Ball poster child. Isn't that obvious?
Battier's offensive weaknesses are irrelevant when you have two offensive stars who only need him to spot up for corner threes and to spread the floor. His defensive strengths more than make up for his offensive weaknesses in that situation. Right now, we don't have that, so he needs to do more offensively, and it looks clumsy. His defense is still solid, but not enough to overcome the fact that hardly anyone else is defending well.
Oh I'm with you 100%, and it's obvious the Rockets overrate Battier, but BimaThug said, "According to the organization, Battier's true value is greater than his salary." Given the fact that he makes over $7 million, I don't believe they overvalue him this much unless they're incompetent. They've also attempted to move him on more than one occasion, but nobody is interested in Battier the player. His only value is as a $7.3 million expiring corpse. Thus, I was asking for specific evidence demonstrating that the Rockets believe that Battier's value is greater than his salary. I want to see if BimaThug has evidence to backup that particular statement or if it's more speculation that he's trying to pass off as fact like his luxury tax hell comment, which flew in the face of history. If this is the case, like I said, there are some fatal flaws in their formula and methodology.
Got it. Didn't pick that up the first reading. I take many issues with $Ball. For one, if you evalute talent solely to your criteria, don't expect the other 29 teams to form a line for a trade. Hence, we would agree that Battier's value is exclusively an expiring contract in a (much) larger deal. Another issue I have is this. If you're evaluating by your formula and you are risk averse, you will never be in position to gain a top tier player. It takes too many expiring contracts. 3 for 1 and 4 for 1 are extremely rare.
As much as Kwame hates Battier, maybe he should watch it from the horse's mouth. 15 second mark. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/wpTWXmfLVU8?fs=1&hl=de_DE"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/wpTWXmfLVU8?fs=1&hl=de_DE" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> I would say Kobe knows more about basketball than Kwame does.
People on this website with insider info have verified this. I agree 100%. As I posted in another thread, the greatest $ball move of all-time was the Rockets acquiring Vernon Maxwell for cash. :grin:
