Are We Slowly Entering WWIII?

Uprising · Jul 15, 2006

NO...

ChrisBosh · Jul 15, 2006

WWIII will start once the U.S loses its power. Every empire fades; hopefully it won't happen any time soon.

nyquil82 · Jul 16, 2006

So it looks like quite a few of us believe in the Rapture as well.

tinman · Jul 16, 2006

ChrisBosh said:

WWIII will start once the U.S loses its power. Every empire fades; hopefully it won't happen any time soon.
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the only way the USA will lose its power, is when Aliens invade.

Ubiquitin · Jul 16, 2006

tinman said:

the only way the USA will lose its power, is when Aliens invade.
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Lil Pun · Jul 16, 2006

tinman said:

the only way the USA will lose its power, is when Aliens invade.
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I think China will overtake the U.S. as the world's superpower eventually. They have the largest population, one of the largest countries in terms of land, have a booming economy and construction sector among other things. I think it is only a matter of time, won't happen over night but probably will eventually.

DaDakota · Jul 16, 2006

Lil Pun said:

I think China will overtake the U.S. as the world's superpower eventually. They have the largest population, one of the largest countries in terms of land, have a booming economy and construction sector among other things. I think it is only a matter of time, won't happen over night but probably will eventually.
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Nuclear weapons make a world war highly unlikely.....imho.

DD

gwayneco · Jul 16, 2006

Lil Pun said:

I think China will overtake the U.S. as the world's superpower eventually. They have the largest population, one of the largest countries in terms of land, have a booming economy and construction sector among other things. I think it is only a matter of time, won't happen over night but probably will eventually.
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People have been saying that for a long time.

tinman · Jul 18, 2006

Lil Pun said:

I think China will overtake the U.S. as the world's superpower eventually. They have the largest population, one of the largest countries in terms of land, have a booming economy and construction sector among other things. I think it is only a matter of time, won't happen over night but probably will eventually.
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thats not possible, their electronics are cheap, thats the crap that sell at walmart.

Invisible Fan · Jul 18, 2006

tinman said:

thats not possible, their electronics are cheap, thats the crap that sell at walmart.
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Like the crap made in Taiwan or Japan in the 70s?

C'mon who'd want to drive those tiny dinky Japanese cars?

tinman · Jul 18, 2006

Invisible Fan said:

Like the crap made in Taiwan or Japan in the 70s?

C'mon who'd want to drive those tiny dinky Japanese cars?
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i will never buy a crappy chinese car,

i will do like a real American,

i will buy a Honda or Toyota, and if I want to impress the gold diggers, buy a Benz or Beemer

America forever!

tinman · Jul 18, 2006

Azadre said:

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is it safe to say, that the class of 1993. Sam Cassell is the best player in that draft? two championships, still playing a high level, going to the playoffs etc
look at all these scrubs picked before him..

7.Bobby Hurley
8.Vin Baker

that's two drunks and no seatbelt

3. penny hurt-al-ways, cassell is a starter, penny is still fighting to get back in the NBA

First Round Player College
1. Orlando (a) Chris Webber Michigan
2. Philadelphia Shawn Bradley Brigham Young
3. Golden State (a) Anfernee Hardaway Memphis State
4. Dallas Jamal Mashburn Kentucky
5. Minnesota Isaiah Rider Nevada-Las Vegas
6. Washington Calbert Cheaney Indiana
7. Sacramento Bobby Hurley Duke
8. Milwaukee Vin Baker Hartford
9. Denver Rodney Rogers Wake Forest
10. Detroit (from Miami) Lindsey Hunter Jackson State
11. Detroit Allan Houston Tennessee
12. LA Lakers George Lynch North Carolina
13. LA Clippers Terry Dehere Seton Hall
14. Indiana Scott Haskin Oregon State
15. Atlanta Doug Edwards Florida State
16. New Jersey Rex Walters Kansas
17. Charlotte Greg Graham Indiana
18. Utah Luther Wright Seton Hall
19. Boston Acie Earl Iowa
20. Charlotte (from San Antonio) Scott Burrell Connecticut
21. Portland James Robinson Alabama
22. Cleveland Chris Mills Arizona
23. Seattle Ervin Johnson New Orleans
24. Houston Sam Cassell Florida State
25. Chicago Corie Blount Cincinnati
26. Orlando (from New York) Geert Hammink Louisiana State
27. Phoenix Malcolm Mackey Georgia Tech

Invisible Fan · Jul 18, 2006

tinman said:

i will never buy a crappy chinese car,

i will do like a real American,

i will buy a Honda or Toyota, and if I want to impress the gold diggers, buy a Benz or Beemer

America forever!
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Well if Americans start driving Chinese cars, then maybe in that time there'll be a war that the US is declared winner over China....

tinman · Jul 18, 2006

Invisible Fan said:

Well if Americans start driving Chinese cars, then maybe in that time there'll be a war that the US is declared winner over China....
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I want the Chinese to invade the Middle East
force those idiots to eat some Mushoo Pork and Pork Dumplings
and fight with honor, like the Shoalin Monks!

OldManBernie · Jul 18, 2006

tinman said:

I want the Chinese to invade the Middle East
force those idiots to eat some Mushoo Pork and Pork Dumplings
and fight with honor, like the Shoalin Monks!
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Apparently, Israel want them to force feed them Matza Ball Soup and have them learn cool phrases like, "Oy Gavoltz!" when they're being bombarded.

(btw, your comments are wee bit offensive to us Chinese people, as mine are to the Jews.)

tinman · Jul 18, 2006

OldManBernie said:

Apparently, Israel want them to force feed them Matza Ball Soup and have them learn cool phrases like, "Oy Gavoltz!" when they're being bombarded.

(btw, your comments are wee bit offensive to us Chinese people, as mine are to the Jews.)
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i like Chinese food and i like Shoalin monks. only compliments grasshopper.

tinman · Jul 18, 2006

OldManBernie said:

Apparently, Israel want them to force feed them Matza Ball Soup and have them learn cool phrases like, "Oy Gavoltz!" when they're being bombarded.

(btw, your comments are wee bit offensive to us Chinese people, as mine are to the Jews.)
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i also think that women are portrayed as equally strong in Chinese society than in the Middle east. In crouching tiger and the other kung fu movies,
good looking women can yeld weapons and defeat men.

rimrocker · Jul 19, 2006

Anyone see this from Wolcott...

World War Two-and-a-Half
Posted by James Wolcott
http://www.jameswolcott.com/

Media Matters sifts and sorts out the competing claims on cable news as to which war we're in--World War III, World War IV, or, according to the perhaps innumerative Sean Hannity, World War V.

Neocons such as Michael Ledeen and Norman Podhoretz favor World War IV, WWW III being the Cold War which ended in victory over the Soviet empire. Those claiming we're in World War III tend to be more moderate, fake-liberal, pragmatic, reasonable-sounding phonies such as Michael Goodwin in the NY Daily News (and a regular panelist on Lou Dobbs' CNN show), who announced on the op-ed page that World War III had begun, and then buried his head in his mittens. "I sound pessimistic because I am. Even worse than the problems is the fact that our political system is failing us. Democratic Party leaders want to pretend we can declare peace and everything will be fine, while President Bush is out of ideas. Witness Bush now counseling patience and diplomacy on North Korea. This from a man who scorned both for five years."

As that quote indicates, Goodwin is from the Joe Klein school of content-free caricature. Name me one Democratic leader who says we can declare peace, pull down the Levalor blinds, and everything will be peachy--Kerry doesn't talk that way, the voluble Biden doesn't (who said this weekend he didn't want to "flyspeck" the magnitude of Israel's military response), Hillary certainly doesn't. And if Goodwin wants WWWIII rushed up from room service, abandoning diplomacy and provoking a confrontation w/ North Korea is a nifty way to start it.

I think one of the reasons our world warriors are so eager to hang a new Roman numeral on the current turmoil is because it enables the U.S. to work off a a clean won-loss slate. Our winning record in world wars is immaculate. Now there are those carpers and nitpickers who will say the US took its sweet time entering the First World War, never suffering the monstrous casualties of the European countries involved, and has hogged much of the credit for defeating Nazi Germany that rightfully belongs to the Russians, but in the popular imagination, the US and freedom unambiguously triumphed, and in the Cold War too. If you throw Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq into the mix, you get a much more muddled picture, which is why the pundits of steely resolve prefer to stick to the big chalkboard.

But it until Newt Gingrich weighs in that something becomes Official Bull****, and sure enough:

"'This is World War III,' Gingrich said. And once that's accepted, he said calls for restraint would fall away:

"'Israel wouldn't leave southern Lebanon as long as there was a single missile there. I would go in and clean them all out and I would announce that any Iranian airplane trying to bring missiles to re-supply them would be shot down. This idea that we have this one-sided war where the other team gets to plan how to kill us and we get to talk, is nuts.'

"There is a public relations value, too. Gingrich said that public opinion can change "the minute you use the language of World War III. The message then, he said, is 'OK, if we're in the third world war, which side do you think should win?'"

So Gingrich wants to roll out World War III as a bugle call to give Republicans a Viagra injection and force Democrats to slink behind the cavalry in mealy-mouthed agreement, for fear of being called appeasers and peaceniks by useful fools like Michael Goodwin.

But I don't know about this. It might have worked as a portentous sales device in the immediate aftershock of 9/11, but we're nearly five years on and the US stature has shrunk. If a majority of Americans want us to withdraw from Iraq, how eager are they going to be to sign on to a declaration of world war against a stateless enemy?

They'll only do it notionally, as long as nothing is actually required of them.

President Bush speaks to the camera: "We're going to call it World War III, but there'll be no draft of your precious darling geniuses, no tax increases, no sacrifice demanded, and I promise not to preempt your favorite programs, such as American Idol."

Fred and Wilma Flintstone, feet propped up on baby dinosaur: "Er, okay; fine; whatever."

Gingrich of course is thinking tactically--he probably flosses tactically, imagining the most ingenious angle a vanguard thinker like himself should employ in a flossing opportunity--but there's also a strong component of nostalgia in this world war talk. You see in the writings of Victor Davis Hanson, the constant references to Neville Chamberlain and Patton, the primping of Blair and Bush for the role of Churchillian stalwart. It's as if Gingrich, Bill Kristol, Max Boot, and the whole gang have fallen for their own romantic bluster and fantasize that the Winds of War are going to sweep them through History like Robert Mitchum in Herman Wouk's epic, where they will feel the spray of the North Atlantic, the stinging sands of North Africa, and enjoy the passionate embrace of a USO entertainer after a heavy night in the canteen. They want to believe that inspired and educated with the right words--their words--Americans will once again rise and meet the mortal challenge. Let the learning curve begin, advises Jonah Goldberg, taking a break from playing with his action figures: "...the advantage of calling all this World War Three is that it's easier to understand and takes less explanation. Most people don't think of the Cold War as a war so much as an effort to avoid one."

The post also provides a helpful glimpse of Goldberg's thought processes at work, which resemble Horton trying to hatch an egg:

"Domino theory and public diplomacy had fairly minor roles in World War II. But such considerations are central to our understanding of today's challenges. Of course, tthe Cold War analogy fails in some important respects as it was mostly a contest between states. But all analogies fail in important respects, that's why they're analogies."
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Os Trigonum · Jan 8, 2025

Europe will not allow attacks, says France, after Trump Greenland threat

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg9gvg3452o

excerpt:

Speaking to France Inter radio, Barrot said: "If you're asking me whether I think the United States will invade Greenland, my answer is no.

"Have we entered into an era that sees the return of the survival of the fittest? Then the answer is yes.

"So, should we allow ourselves to be intimidated and overcome with worry, clearly not. We must wake up, build up our strength."

more at the link

Os Trigonum · Jan 8, 2025

Germany and France warn Trump over threat to take over Greenland

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg9gvg3452o

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