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Are we sleeping on Will Levis?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Shark44, Dec 31, 2022.

  1. Sooty

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    Three seasons prior and same bowl win too! :)

    Herbie finished his career 10-2. Both also had better peak seasons than Will but yeah need to take into account the turf toe.
     
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    Three seasons prior and same bowl win too! :)

    Herbie finished his career 10-2. Both also had better peak seasons than Will but yeah need to take into account the turf toe.
     
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    Watch the Colts get their guy for the next 10 years while the Texans kick the can to the future.
     
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    Well we know Levis is used to subpar olines - but not at #2 please.
     
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    I've been hoping for a scenario similar to what LZ mocked, but I'm starting to believe that Levis is likely #2 QB on many boards and maybe #1 on some boards. If we don't take him at #2, he's likely not going to be available unless we trade up to #3 and that will be expensive.

    I don't remember a QB feeding frenzy as rampant as it seems to be this year. Maybe it's the media hype or perhaps the pressure on teams to get "their guy"--in any case I'm getting the irrational exuberance feeling.

    I initially wanted to take Carter or Anderson, then Anderson or trade back and now I'll be happy with Anderson, trade back or Levis. What a rollercoaster this year has been!
     
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    Nor at #12
     
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    Levis at 12 would be a much better option than Stroud at 2.
     
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    I’m not sure he makes it past 4…so if the Texans want him they need to just go ahead and grab him at 2.
     
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    Yeah I feel ya.
    Just when I think I have my personal draft board or mock set, something comes to light or I discover another exciting prospect.
     
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    No, what will happen is Stroud will go first, and we’ll take Levis saying that he was always our number 1 choice. Because we are the Texans and always have to act like we met the smartest in the room. He’ll have a trubisky type career and we’ll be just as far set back if we took Bryce and he got hurt.
     
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    Levis has the edge over both Young and Stroud in size, physicality, arm strength, and smarts. He'd be a great pick if we traded down from #2.
     
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    Regrettably, the individual in question falls short of expectations both in his college portfolio and on-field performance, despite their potential for high achievement. There have been several instances where he has appeared overwhelmed and unprepared, like a deer in head lights.

    Interesting data comparisons reveal:
    • Similar pressure rate for both QB's 28% and 33%
    • Levis had 2x the Turnover Worth Play Rate than that of Bryce
    • For big pass play percentage they're very similar 4.73% and 4.92%
    • However, here is the interesting piece, Levis' average depth of play is 20% less than that of Young
    Despite being endowed with impressive physical attributes and possessing a powerful throwing arm, the individual's collegiate statistics are comparable to that of Drew Lock, who is acknowledged for his "prototypical size," "strong arm," and "gunslinger" style, yet was also deemed a "classic boom or bust" candidate, and faced challenges with handling pressure.
     
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    How did these numbers look when he had a more talented team in 2021?
     
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    I'm glad you posted this because it's a perfect illustration of how casual fans rely on highlights and stats to make mistakes when evaluating talent. Bryce Young had all the talent in the world around him - from playmakers to linemen. Will Levis did not, yet he still performed and elevated his teammates. Alabama underperformed versus expectations and compared to the talent they had. Finding a QB who elevates their team DESPITE not being surrounded by talent is highly predictive of future success. Quoting stats from when a QB lined up behind an All American OL to face Austin Peay and Vanderbilt... well, that's not real useful.

    GOOD DAY
     
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    [PREMIUM POST]
    How can a midget (in your words), out perform someone who is prototypical and has ALL the best physical traits in the wild?

    - Mentally we’ve seen Levis, outscored in a cognitive function test.
    - We’ve seen Levis stand still, not knowing where to pass
    - At 24 years of age this year, he’s did a lot less than someone younger than him against the same competition. He’s older than Trevor Lawrence who has been in the league 2 years. You would expect a 24 year old tearing up the SEC not making excuses for him with his size
    - Amazing you actually haven’t seen him, coming out as a prospect he is still RAW
    - Very vanilla. Plays well against poor opponents and terrible track record against great opponents.
    - Couldn’t start at Penn State in front of Sean Clifford, despite being their highest rated recruit.
    - Turnover prone, poor processing.
    - Levis choose to go to Kentucky, Kentucky also have minimum 4 star rated OL recruits across the board.

    I mean ALL the traits in the world, and he nearly put up 110 yards against Vanderbilt and they almost did win. Great performance. First class.

    I love how you spin this narrative against Bryce but then use it for Mac Jones. Also so, 100% didn’t complain when Joe Burrow had Chase or Jefferson. Chase and Jefferson are worse than all star WRs like Burton, Brooks, Latu.

    Realistically speaking he’s somewhere between a Lock/Trubisky and a Jay Cutler as a player. Josh Allen is the exception not the rule.

    GOOD DAY
     
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    [Philosophical Question]
    If your grammar is this deficient, then how can we trust your football talent evaluation? Grammar is much easier than football talent evaluation.

    GOOD DAY
     
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    Sooty - FYI, Will Levis is 23. He doesn't turn 24 until June 27th. In contrast, Hendon Hooker is already 25, his birthday was Jan 13th. For what it's worth I think both have the potential to be pro-QBs, as well as AR. Just not sold on BY long-term and not a fan of CJ.
     
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