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Are we sleeping on Will Levis?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Shark44, Dec 31, 2022.

  1. raining threes

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    What kind of rebuttal is this.

    BTW, I'm not a fan of Levis.
     
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  2. Shark44

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    I like BY and Levis, but have concerns on both. That's why I've been a proponent of taking one of the Top 2 defensive studs. Now with Carter's legal issues, Smith, a QB or trade back appears to be our choices.
     
  3. DasouthDakota

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    I'd take Richardson over Levis
     
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    Thanks for sharing this zeeshan2. Posters like cmoak who don't know football, blindly rave about Levis' 65% completion percentage without taking into account that the offense he ran had a very high number of screens compared to other offenses, and accuracy and ball placement were clear issues for Will Levis.
     
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    At me if you say my name kiddo. No one blindly raves about anything except for the completion percentage being similar. That is one person’s viewpoint, there’s literally tape of Levis throwing darts down field to far less talented receivers than Stroud.

    There was literally a stat that came out that had Stroud way below Levis in the 10-20 yd range in one of the threads.
    Then you have people wanting Richardson when he’s even a bigger risk than any of them as far as QB skills go.
     
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    Agree with OH this was a good find, however, there are a couple of differences compared to other evals I've seen...

    - By all acounts in 2021 Levis ran a pro-style offense with an OC who left for the Rams in 2022.

    - Other evals have claimed he has issues processing and decision-making, but he points out the positives in his game here.
     
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    A screen is 0-5 yards, not 10-20, and 0-5 yards should be the highest completion percentage by far, so if an offense has a disproportionally high number of screens, a QB will have an artificially high completion percentage. I'll find the accuracy charts, I posted before since you're referring to them. People want Richardson because he is far younger and if they're both a gamble, you might as well take the big swing with a more athletic and younger player. Obviously no @ was needed since you read all of my posts.
     
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    No one is talking about screens except for you, watch tape. It’s not a huge part of their system, 8.5 ypa backs that up
     
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    The writeup that was posted by Zeeshan2 right above says that he was in a screen heavy offense. Unless you have evidence to refute that, that's the information we have. You can still have 8.5 ypa if you throw deep more often along with screens. Both Young and Stroud had a higher ypa figure.
     
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    I don't care which qb we draft in fact i'm fine with mills being the qb if our schemes are better he could be better. We have alot of holes and we can't fix them all this year.
     
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    The evidence is the tape, it’s not a screen heavy offense.
     
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    Once again, the numbers don't line up with your opinions. Will Levis had a higher percentage of his throws under 10 yds, than Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, and Anthony Richardson. His yards after catch were also higher than the other 3 which likely indicates a larger amount of screens. You also said that Levis had a higher completion percentage from 10-20 than Stroud. That was incorrect. In fact, Levis completion percentage was lower than all 3 of the other QBs in that area and it was a lower percentage of his throws. Only one of us presents relevant information to back up what he says.
     
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    First. 59% to 57% is not a huge difference. Second, there was a tweet in another thread that had Stroud below Levis in percentage. I will go find it
     
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    That information is from some random Raiders fan blog writer. Even if I took that information as being accurate. Will Levis has a much lower percentage of throws in the 10-20 yard range compared to the other QBs.
     
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    Both Bryce Young and Will Levis stand out here. I think with the coaching staff we have in place now, they’ll really dig into the numbers to get the full picture about these QBs because the baseline numbers aren’t enough especially considering the wildly different talent levels in college.

    Edit: on further reflection, Will Levis should be performing better in a clean pocket. Ideally you won’t be under pressure every snap and if you actually perform worse when you aren’t under pressure, that’s not great either.
     
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    could be a smokescreen
     

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