Are we just going to ignore the season Lance Stephenson is having?

He reminds me of Dwayne Wade the way he moves. He is the best offensive player on the Pacers at times.

 

Dude is beasting on my fantasy team

 

Those numbers are off, I think. Maybe you aren't accounting for cap holds, or for George's Rose contract. But the Pacers are at ~65 mil (guaranteed contracts+minimum cap holds) on 11 roster spots even if they cut everyone that's not fully guaranteed.
So if they cut everyone and the tax goes up to 75, they can pay Lance about 10 mil that first year.
So that's some extreme cutting (including Scola) and only 10 mil in that scenario. They'll probably need to make a trade to clear some room, or just pass on Stephenson.

 

They gotta keep their core of Stephenson, george and hibbert.

Look for them to get rid of George hill when they can and look for PG help in a more cost effective way

 

Do you think a trade is a possibility? I would lean no, since they are all-in this season. But with the harden/okc comment it gets me thinking.

 

Stephenson seems like the leading candidate for MIP.

I feel like Stephenson may be exactly like the OKC-Harden situation. Either they pay him more than they want to, or they will be forced to trade him - in this situation, they'd be forced to let him walk.

Stephenson's value is currently at around 7-9 million (forgot where I read that) , and his value will only increase from here on out, especially if he puts up a great performance in the playoffs.

Will Stephenson really take a discount just because of the help Bird has given him? I really don't think so - especially if some team is willing to give him something close to the max (hey, if EGO got the max, I think some team would offer Lance the max as well) . Future all-star for sure.

To think just a few years ago, he was a nobody famous for this act :

 

I knew he had game when you saw him in the Summer league and stuff... he does all the things a player needs to do to make his team a championship caliber team.. He will be great.. Y'all just haters.

 

I think / hope not. But I mean after the season maybe they move someone to make room.

 

He makes way too many bone-headed decisions, takes horrendous shots and turns the ball over like crazy. Not a huge fan.

 

Jesus Christ. Terrible post.

 

Yep. A very polished and shiny turd right now, but still a turd underneath it all.

 

sounds like harden

j/k, maybe...

 

He's shooting 48% from the field this year so how exactly is he taking horrendous shots. If they are horrendous then it sure is working for him.

 

George/Stephenson or Harden/Parsons?

I'd take George/Stephenson 10 times out of 10.

 

Nope I'm not accounting for cap holds but their salary per Shamsports is as I laid it out:

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/pacers.jsp

They have 3 non-gaurunteed contracts that equal exactly $6,731,905.00 for Luis Scola, Donald Sloan and Orlando Johnson.

The Pacers salary, according to Shamsports, including the non-gaurunteed contracts is $65,846,933.00.

If you subtract the non-gaurunteed contracts the Pacers have the ability to trim the salary down to $59,112,028.

The tax threshold is $71,748,000.00, subtract the Pacers salary and they have $12,635,972.00 cap space prior to reaching the tax threshold not including roster spot holds.

I think teams are only required to carry 12 contracts on the team so if you subtract the 3 non-gaurunteed contracts from the 11 pacer contracts that leaves you with 8 contracts or 4 short of the required 12. So multiply whatever the minimum salary times 3 plus what ever 1st round draft pick that have to allow for and you have your adjusted salary cap. Of course they would have to renounce all of the players that would have cap holds on like Danny Granger who would have a cap hold of $16,441,400.00.

So I don't really see any issue with the Pacers coming up with $10 million to pay Lance if that's what they chose to do. That is without considering a salary cap increase which would also include a higher number for the tax threshold. Personally I don't see it going up to the $75 million that you used but if it did the Pacers would have approximately 14 million to play with before hitting the threshold.

 

I'm not going to argue with you but I don't think it's that black and white? Do you think George is better than Harden? Do you think Stephenson is better than Parsons? I think it's pretty damn close both times.

 

he's palyin real well. everyone talkin about george's growth, but we saw some of that in the playoffs. lance is more surprising. he's ballin.

 

Keep in mind, Paul George is pretty much certain to get more than the number shown by shamsports because if he makes All-NBA again this year, he will be eligible for the "Rose" contract. Which is nearly 3 mil more than the "normal" max. I'm not sure about the exact number he's going to get because he supposedly didn't take full Rose.

Also, Scola's contract is actually 1 mil (or .94 to be exact) guaranteed.

Then minimum cap holds for empty roster spots would be some 1.5 mil.

That all adds up.

 

Another thing that I forgot to consider: if the tax/cap scales up, George's max scales up as well. So essentially two factors re George, the new cap number and Rose bonus. I think it's safe to add at least 3 mil on top of the shamsports number, likely more.

 

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q14

A cap hold called an "incomplete roster charge" if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). This charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player fewer than 12. For example, if there are 11 players included in team salary, then an amount equal to the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary2; if the roster is completely empty, then 12 times the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary. This charge only applies during the offseason.


http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

The minimum rookie contract for 2014/2015 is only $507,336 not 1.5 million.