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Are we expecting too much??

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hlmbasketball, Feb 5, 2024.

  1. hlmbasketball

    hlmbasketball Member

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    Im hoping one of our core 6 can rise to a level similar to what Khawi Leonard did, as another poster alluded to. Khawi worked on game and it took him 3 to 4 yrs. But he was surrounded by veterans who knew how to win.

    Our young guys for the past few years have been figuring things out on their own
     
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  2. dmoneybangbang

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    This year was always going to be an evaluation year. Just because we are overachieving doesn't mean we can just move expectations.
     
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  3. hlmbasketball

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    In a sense, you are correct. We have the talent and things in place but being that we were so far down the past 3yrs, is it just taking us longer to get back to respectability?
     
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  4. dmoneybangbang

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    In the context of a tanking team, yes.

    But in the context of a team trying to compete, no.
     
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    It's the difference between short term vs long term competitiveness.
     
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  6. AlperenSengun

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    The reality is

    - we picked up very young players, not ready for the nba, body, skill, experience. And all of them lacking in some major department.
    - And you handed these players to Silas and gave the pg spot kpj. Those two years were pretty much wasted, instead of developing the players
    - our back-up center doesn't play like an nba player
    - our shooting guard is not good shooter and became a below average defender after a major improvement
    - no decent back-up guard, and now our guard is injured
    - pretty much no shooter

    And still, if it weren't for injuries we'd make the play-in, which is very good imo. I have accepted that the rebuild has gone bad, except for maybe drafting good players who need years to develop. And development started this year.
     
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  7. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    Listen, I understand the Silas argument there and I'm sure there is something to be said for it. However, Alperen Sengun seems to have managed to develop and improve just fine, and Jabari came out this year looking like a vastly better player than last.

    I actually think the rebuild has gone fantastic. We're loaded with young talent. Whether or not some of these guys become All-Stars or not, they're all clearly NBA caliber players. And that's really really rare. Sure, he made some misses in year 1 and 2, but that's when he was swinging for the fence trying to find a star or two to build around. I expect now that they've got the guys that they believe they can build around, I suspect they'll focus more on floor than ceiling in the draft, and look for the kind of guys who can support our existing young core. Of course, if a potential star falls into your lap (as one did last season with Cam), then maybe you take another swing for the fences.

    Anyhow, I'm super super excited about our young core moving forward, and while I hate that Fred went down, I'm excited to see Amen in more minutes.
     
  8. jim1961

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    If a rebuild takes longer than 4-5 years, then its due to bad management or extreme bad luck (like your franchise player having a career ending injury).
     
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    If it takes more than 5 years, I see the franchise lose fans.
     
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    I am happy with the rebuild after all, the negative impact of Silas and kpj will be less than I thought, and I think we got a good coach in udoka. So it is not bad. I am just point out that the timeline of the rebuild is not what the number of tanking years suggest. Because of the silas&kpj thing and also we drafted super young.
     
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    The first third of the season elevated expectations.
    35 Games should be a must/goal
    40 Should be a stretch goal

    We have 33 games to do that
    Can we go about .500 ?

    Rocket River
     
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    As a lifelong Houston sports fan, I've found that it's generally the best policy to have LOW expectations. That said, I would've bet the over on the number of wins set by Vegas and they are still on track to do that.
     
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    Getting away from wins and losses or a playoff birth or not, I expect us to make the most of what we have.
    And by that I mean, play the guys that help you win. If your rebuilding, sure, development trumps wins.
    But it also means shuffling the roster. Both who starts and getting new pieces.

    Based on the above, its hard for me to rate the team at this point.
    Need to see how the trade deadline goes and the off-season that follows.
    Good decisions now will pay dividends in the future.
    Bad ones will slow our progression or perhaps keep us from being a contender at the highest level.

    Someone mentioned a three headed monster lately in reference to our players, but a three headed monster also dominates the Rockets decision making process (Tillman, Stone, Udoka).

    What to expect in the future will largely depend on how they perform (make the right choices).
     
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  14. Stephen_A

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    yes.

    What current active players came out and immediately dominated in their rookie season besides Lebron? Let’s be realistic folks
     
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    Amen played for OTE. You’re thinking about Tate
    Probably
     
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    WTF? I knew about Tate playing there, but I had it fixed in my mind that Amen and his brother played for a pro league there as well after high school. Weird. The point still holds, though, that they played a couple of years in a lesser pro league.
     
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    Huh? OKC didn’t make the playoffs during their rebuild. They were in a weird transition year with a lot of vets including Adams, Schroeder, Gallinari and CP3.

    Predicting Spurs record next year makes little sense and based on what?
     
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    OKC didn’t win nothing till this year which is year 4 of their rebuild
     
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    Hence they got Brooks FVV Uncle Jeff
     
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    The thing with dream was he came back almost every year with something new in his bag. He saw Shaq come into the league so he developed that drive to.the bucket etc.
    Is senguin as good as dream? No but is he as good as dream was at 22? I don't think he will ever be as good as dream defensively but if that dude can develop a 3 point jumper and go 80 percent from the line, he would be unstoppable on offense
     

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