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Are there too many scorers on the team?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by nono, Nov 28, 2013.

  1. DocRock

    DocRock Member

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    I don't think you can have too many scorers, I do think you can have too many early career/short deal guys trying to impress/make their name, and run the risk of forgetting your biggest mismatch is still the C with the sloppy post game.

    There are probably 30-40 Parsons in the league, 10-15 Hardens, and only 3 Dwights. The roleplayers scoring doesn't get anybody in foul trouble, won't draw a double, doesn't get Dwight in a rhythm, and you risk him checking out on D.

    I'm not trying to see any more games where a perimeter guy is 1/10, 6/16 and Dwight is sitting there around or above 50%FG with 10 or less attempts. I'm getting flashbacks to those multiple Laker finals where Shaq/Pau was beasting and Kobe bricked/froze them out of the game. Or the LA/Orlando series where it happened on both teams. Dwight should be taking 12-15 shots a night minimum. If Dwight is at 60% or more, he should be getting at least 18-20 attempts. If his post game isn't up for it, figure out how to facilitate.
     
  2. jtr

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    LOL. Any shot from beyond 3 feet to the three point line is an absolutely horrendous shot. If there is anything you can hang your hat on it is that.


    Restricted Area – 1.183
    In The Paint (Non-RA) – 0.793
    Mid-Range – 0.788
    Corner 3 – 1.157
    Above The Break 3 – 1.048

    Over 0.3 PPS less than every other shot in basketball. And you want the Rockets to take that shot why?
     
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    A very cogent post, but somehow ill phrased. Maybe tomorrow (to much Burgundy in me now) I will rewrite it for you. It somehow seems to wordy and meandering. But I could change my opinion when I am not in a tryptophane stupor.
     
  4. DocRock

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    I think people confuse playing the regular season percentages and 2pt/3pt math with Morey devaluing the midrange. Most guys can't shoot it, and limiting them to 3's/paint/D is the easiest way to get into the playoffs.

    But against a championship caliber team that can defend the paint and still close out on shooters, that's the shot they're giving up, and you absolutely need a midrange specialist.
     
  5. kuku

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    A complete offensive arsenal is more lethal than an incomplete one.
    - Again, it's so easy to defend against Rockets when a good defensive team can just completely concentrate on paint, corners, and arc. All those other areas in between can be ignored. Areas to defend suddenly becomes less than 50%.

    2. without a mid-range game, you won't have a go-to shot you can rely on and one of the biggest reasons we lost so many close games. Penetrating into 2-3 defenders in the paint and PRAY on a whistle is not a go-to shot you can reply upon when you absolutely NEED to score.

    One of the reasons our record were so bad against the top tier teams last year. We were like 4-18 vs Pacer, Heat, Spurs, Grizzlies, Thunder, Clippers, and Nuggets. I seriously doubt we will have .500 against top teams this year.
     
  6. jtr

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    Nope. Fraid not. You may need better ball movement, better passes to the post, better spacing, better three point shooting, but the one thing that you do not need is more inefficient mid-ranged shots. Much of the NBA is moving in that direction, but they are all well behind the Rockets.
     
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    And that is all conjecture on your part. Morey and the Rockets are so far below the next NBA team in inefficient mid-ranged shots it is not even funny. Around 66% of the mid ranged shots of the next nearest team. Since Morey is on my side I rest my case. Besides, it is how the Rockets are going to play. Get used to it.
     
  8. daywalker02

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    as long as there are Chris Paul, Tony Parker and jumpshooting 4s the midrange won't die out
     
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    pretty sure howard came to the rockets because he couldn't fart with kobe around
     
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    Yeah it won't. But for 95% of the NBA players it should. Hell, LMA an excellent mid-ranged shooter, only averages 0.88 PPS. Well below the Rocket team average (and only two of them make the money LMA does).
     
  11. Remii

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    Until the Rockets win a championship... No one is behind them.
     
  12. jtr

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    Really? There are what, 6 NBA teams that by mid-season the Rockets won't be shredding on a nightly basis? MIA, IND, OKC, SAS. LAC. No one else pops into my mind. The TT experiment is over. Let the good times roll.
     
  13. DocRock

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    Name one team that won a championship on 3s and no midrange.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Houston Rockets?

    DD
     
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    LOL Good one!

    jtr has a habit of ignoring my questions. Hope he answers yours, plus naming HOFers who didn't have a mid-range game.
     
  16. daywalker02

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    Hakeem shot midrange fadeaways
     
  17. Carl Herrera

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    Are there too many basketball players on the team?
     
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    They have to shoot those. It's crazy not to shoot a mid-range. If you shoot 3s, it's a lower percentage shot that's either falling or not and the best shooter shoot these in the low 40 percentage range. If you keep going to the rim, guys like Harden and Lin, will get injured and may have a shorter career span. You have to have some floaters near the rim to protect yourself and to get them above rim protectors, you also need to diversify and have some stop and pop and the two best PGs in the league, Paul and Parker, do this on a regular basis. They'll go to the rim sometime and I don't think either takes that many 3s, so they need the mid-range shot as a big part of their arsenal. Players like Aldridge also depend on a mid-range shot and big men like Duncan, Garnett shoot the mid range and bank mid-range. I see Lin working on a fadeaway mid-range and I hope he goes to it more and hope Harden develops one. It'll help have them less banged up. Attacking the rim so much has really done a number on Wade.
     
  19. Remii

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    No matter how much you crunch the #'s, you don't win championships during the regular season. And it will be hard for a team with a limited post game to consistently run a half court offense with no incorporation of mid range shots, which is needed to make it through the playoffs. Miami and San Antonio have guys who can hit the mid range... And if you watch Indiana _ they have George working on his mid range game too...

    Getting to the basket and jacking up 3's and always trying to push the pace and get fast baskets is a way to mask deficiencies (like having a weak or no post game) and rack up regular season wins. And if Howard doesn't get his post game together _ the Rockets better work on that mid range game if they expect to win a Chip...
     
  20. Remii

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    This▲

    Remember the 04 Pistons...? That was a team full of guys with mid range games. Especially Rip and Sheed...
     

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