Are there any people here who don't believe in evolution?

Um, what?

"Different kinds of creationism"? Sounds like shifting goalposts to me.

Fit what evidence? How?

I'm reading this basically as "If we play loose with terminology and omit/add things as needed, we can kinda justify a theory of creation that doesn't 100% conflict with what we know about creation of the universe or the origins and evolution of life on Earth."

 

Still waiting on googrux to show up and interfere.... maybe I'll start a thread on Abortion?

 

God created evolution.

There. I just BLEW your mind!

 

You've never heard of Old Earth Creationism and Young Earth Creationism? Really? You've got some basics to catch up on then. I don't know the exact split but I would guess that there are more OECs today than YECs, btw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism

 

True Creationism, the story before the Jews and the Christians started spreading their damn lies to the world.

Indeed, Creationism should be taught in class. But we have to be sure we're teaching the correct one. :grin: :grin:

 

Migration over a a period of tens of thousands of years. Is that so far-fetched?

 

Wonder when this "split" happened.

I see more shifting goalposts.

 

How so? That would simply validate evolution. It would also put a pretty big hole in the Christian interpretation of how we came into being, but that's another story.

 

And giddyup, Creation Theory strains credulity because, in the end, it is the equivalent of "It's magic." That is an "explanation" in the same way as me telling a child that the sky is blue because God thinks that's a pretty color is an explanation.

 

Yeah, kind of. You would have two problems that seem to crop up: 1) in-breeding within small migrating populations and 2) lack of cross-breeding with other sub-species along the way... or is there evidence of this?

Of course, creationism does not account for the creation of multiple sub-species (or does it somewhere?).

 

You could probably look that up, but it’s probably not a simple answer. The age of the earth isn’t stated in the Bible, so any belief about its age is part of the traditions of a particular denomination.

 

Oh don't you worry about that, the yoga masters of creationism will somehow bend and warp their theory to fit into whatever tiny keyhole science creates for them.

 

I'm still waiting on a creationist theory to "show me the money", as it were.

 

Maybe evolution would be easier to understand if you just think of it as a continuous process of genetic mutation. Every living organism has tens of thousands of genes that direct its development . While the ordered sequences are hugely complex the component parts are fairly simple and interchangeable. It's not too hard for environmental and genetic factors to make small changes in the code's sequence. Big changes usually are not viable but the small changes can make changes in the structure of the organism. The changes can make some of the new iterations more successful at propagation (or not).

A more human version of an ape may be more successful at propagation than the ape, but that doesn't mean the ape isn't successful enough to continue its existence.

You might think of it as an example of the law of Entropy where everything trends from the more simple to the more complex. You start with a proto ape organism and it evolves into apes, monkeys, chimps, aborigines, Eskimos, Aryans etc etc. Every genetic mutation has its own expression and direction.

But it's not a directed to achieve a course of development or purpose; it's just an ongoing natural process associated with carbon based, genetically reproduced, life forms. The relative success or failure of the mutated generation is up to the conditions of life it faces.

 

I was being silly. Don't mistake me for some looney creationist believer.

 

To answer the question in the title: yes. Tons of people.

http://www.pollingreport.com/science.htm#Evolution

It makes me sad to be an American. Over 80% of Norway is atheist, so I bet they believe in evolution.

 

I figured that. But it seems like kind of a weird thing to say. And I felt a need to comment.

 

Um, ok.