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Are the Spurs just entering their prime?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by doublebogey, May 20, 2007.

  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Because you listen to the TV too much. Boozer can't deliver against talented 4's like Garnett, Duncan, etc... Ive said it before. But what the hell do I know right... I guess its a fluke he shot under 50% today...

    Dirk is the MVP. 1st round and out. And its on him. Robinson was the MVP and he didn't deliver either. I don't understand how the hell its so outrageous to call Dirk soft... But ya. I am crazy. Listen to ESPN they no everything. Michigan should have played OSU, what do the Gators no.
     
  2. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    I spelled "no" the wrong way. Therefore I lose.
     
  3. rhino17

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    great post
     
  4. Desert Scar

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    Parker isn't in Nash, Billips or Davis league when you put all those elements together. I think 30/30 GMs would take Deron Williams over him too.

    Parker is a fine player, bottom rung all-star type PG. But he is the Spurs 3rd key player, and he is no where near all-NBA and probably won't ever be. By the time he catches Billips/Davis/Nash there will be Williams/Paul/maybe some other young crop better. Duncan really opens up things for him and I don't remotely see Parker carrying a team.

    The real reason the Lakers faded was Shaq wasn't the force he once was, the Lakers had lost two strait years with them and they needed a Kings collapse to squeak by the title year before that. They decided to go with Kobe and rebuild because Shaq had slipped some.
     
  5. The Cat

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    This can't be serious.

    Maybe a couple more years, if used sparingly? :eek: You are aware he's 31 and not 41, right?

    The Spurs aren't entering their prime, but they're not at the end of it, either. Given Duncan's style of play and the increasing emphasis (and role) on Parker, they've got three or four more very legitimate chances with the current group. I'd be surprised if Duncan doesn't get to five rings.
     
  6. Icehouse

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    If Duncan gets the 4th ring this year then I wouldn't be suprised to see him end up with 5. Hell, like 3 isn't enough.

    Spurs...lucky bastards..........
     
  7. Luckyazn

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    Tim Duncan fell to them #1

    and the other two

    Manu and Parker were drafted late 1st rounder toooo
     
  8. yaozilla1

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    i thought duncan was done this year. he didnt start playing good until the playoffs.
     
  9. TBar

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    While you may be right that Duncan gets 5 rings. He has been used sparingly at the beginning of each season by Poppovich to save him for the playoffs. At 31 he is still at top 5 player. I do not know about Duncan's play at 34 years. While they may have 3 or 4 or even 5 more legitimate chances at a ring - I doubt it.

    2 more really productive years from Duncan at 31-IMHO is a reasonable guess. If you go beyond that at that age is questionable.

    I like Duncan -though I hate the Spurs. They owe every title to him. They are incredibly lucky to get that pick. A player like Duncan only comes around maybe every 15 years. They surrounded him with talent and have not wasted his best years.

    Good for Spurs fans.
     
  10. aaaa

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    Yea, you're right about that. They had talent around him IMMEDIATELY because they were still a pretty good team prior to drafting him -- they just tanked the season in order to get him (yea, Robinson was injured, but they shut him down early). Kinda gets me mad that a team was so rewarded after thoroughly tanking their season. Other teams who suffer for many years don't get rewarded like the Spurs (see: Clippers, Warriors, post-Jordan Bulls).
     
  11. ayears

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    more than 5, you bet.

    just review their Game6 vs Suns, Manu & Parker, the 2 guards is certainly in their prime.
     
  12. 101 6 7

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    Parker yes, Manu? - last player, SECOND round. :eek:
     
  13. doublebogey

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    First, I am only talking the performance of PG in last season, not who should be a franchise player (which is always potential oriented). And what do u mean by carrying a team? The only player that could carry a team is MJ.

    This is my fave 5 in order:

    Steve Nash - What can you say about Steve Nash? Instant offense! And Nash's shooting is amazing. I doubt he misses any in shooting practice. Nash's only weakness is defense.

    Chaucey Billups - Billups is great. He's the quarter back everyone want in a team. But Billups was very, very good but not great until he met Larry Brown. Larry Brown made him great. Larry coached Billups how to run the offense flawlessly. And Billups is always thankful to Larry for that.

    J-Kidd - Kidd is great at everything excepting shooting & scoring.

    Tony Parker - Parker is a Spur. Spurs are always overlooked. Parker's speed and ability to finish in a crowd is amazing and this has nothing to do with Tim Duncan. IIRC, Parker is one of the leaders of scoring in paint. Only Nash and Parker are shooting over 50%. And the way Parker run the offense in the Spurs is as good as you can get. The only thing you can complain about Parker is his assist/TO ratio. But since he makes his living driving to the basket, it gives him a little high turnovers.

    Baron Davis - Davis is my marginal top 5 PG (I consider D Will too). Yes, he gets all the talents and all the tools, but his mindset is a street baller. That's why it's such a match made in heaven for Davis and Nelson. But if teams want to win big, they wont pick Davis. It's simple. Davis cant run a system offense. Davis will always drift away from the offense, make a bad shoot here and there, make some bonehead mistakes, and your hope for winning will go down to drain. Davis will not be great until he meet a great coach that makes him use his talents to run a system offense and make the right decision. Otherwise, Davis will always be a borderline all-star.


    Deron Williams -Williams will be great. Williams gets everything and is tutored by the best: Stockton and Sloan. But Willams still needs to make less mistakes in running the offense and defend better. We'll see next year.

    Chris Paul - Chris is good and maybe great. But Paul is still below the level of play of the above 6 guys.
     
  14. doublebogey

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    I just watch basketball THE RIGHT WAY and enjoy good basketball. Hooray to see things THE RIGHT WAY.
     
  15. doublebogey

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    Bottomline, the Spurs are not boring. They have two crazy players - Parker & Ginobili, that's driving to the baskets and makes some amazing baskets. The Spurs just dont advertise themselves.

    If you still say he Spurs are "boring" then you must feel the Rockets is "boring more than ****".
     
  16. doublebogey

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    The Celtics is still whinning about they didnt get Duncan even now. LMAO!
     
  17. Desert Scar

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    The Spurs would be next to impossible to beat with Nash, Billips, Davis or Williams as their PG instead of Parker, and all those teams would be significantly worse asking Parker to fill what those guys do. As for Parker versus Williams, the latter has much more responsibility and I think is already superior. Now I think Paul and Kidd are also better than Parker, whether they would make the Spurs better given their style of play I am not sure.

    One thing overblown about Parker is that he is a major set up guy or playmaker (traditonal PG). While he is somewhat in between, he really is closer to the mold of Arenas or Barbosa as a finisher/scorer than a distributor like Nash/Kidd. TD and Manu are the 1 and 2 set up guys/creators for that team in the half court--Parker really has a lot of freedom to do what he does well (fast break, drive, 20 foot and in spot up) because he doesn't have a lot of extra resposibilities for directing the team and getting others involved. Parker is a very good player in an ideal situation.
     
  18. TBar

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    Thinking about tanking to win the lottery....The Celtics and Grizzlies did not get the luck. In recent memories -no team capitalized on tanking as much as the already talented Spurs. Supreme lucky tank job.

    Duncan is an outstanding big man for the ages.....
     
  19. TBar

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    Like Bruce Bowen's consisently dirty play- designed to hurt players- or the suspension of Amare puts an asterisk beside this year's Spurs team.

    The Spurs no longer occupy the high moral ground....
     
  20. Jonhty

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    so you're saying I can have Rafer as the best point guard on the planet. :eek:
     

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