Are the Rockets DH12's team or James Harden's team?

Sorry I just got off work, no time to respond. On the subject of motor function and its association with personality, I have heard of some types being tied into other traits; for example, the guy who taught me used to mention there were theories out there that all people of a certain type had a similarity in facial structure.

I still don't believe it nor do I believe what you say about there being a supreme type for sports. Simply put there are high functioning and low functioning types out there doing all sorts of things. Every personality can succeed, and every personality can fail. It's all about what kind of coping mechanisms you develop, how you exploit your strengths and cover your weaknesses. Also, language plays a huge role in the exposition of personality. Someone like Omer Asik is currently untypeable just because he's so limited in English and that, by default, makes him quiet or "shy". We have no idea what kind of party animal lurks inside that man when he goes home.

On the subject of books and authority, I have no credence for that kind of stuff. This isn't science, it's all theory, and it should make sense. The "misinformation" that lurks out on the internet comes from people subdividing the types into 16 discrete personas and then going to town on specifics as if it were horoscopes or something. In truth everything is a spectrum, there are people who are strong or weak in each of their four categories (except N/S, I've never encountered someone in the middle, they're always one or the other and if you can't figure it out, it's because they're masking it well).

On the subject of Kobe's T/F status, this is how I view it: if N/S is a perceptive trait, ie indicative of how somebody views the world, then T/F is a behavioral trait, ie indicative of how that person lets manifest how he views the world to be. T/F should be a very apparent trait to figure out, usually I try for it second after the J/P determination. You look at how attached to their opinions somebody is: do they argue with you about minutiae, or are they talkative all the time, or just by hearing them say three sentences can you see a dedication on their part to rational thought processes? If it's a mature T you will see someone with a very well-thought out thought process but not be overburdened by it; they might even seem wise to you. If it's an immature T you will see someone who is very argumentative even about the most petty of subjects, willing to make a mountain out of any molehill just to prove themselves right. F is a bit harder to describe in one picture just because depending on their maturity level and emotional status they can behave any variety of ways. If you meet a superior conversationalist this is usually a well-developed F, someone who truly understands that two people talking are not there to pinpoint the truth, they are just there to agree on something, ANYTHING. F's will make YOU feel better and sacrifice the truth in the process. If you meet someone who just has no regard at all for what you say, this could also be an F, someone just on an emotional rollercoaster with no ability to control it for the sake of mundane social interaction. F's can be hotheaded or they can be the kindest, most benevolent people you meet. Either way though, it's a behavioral trait so you'll get a sense pretty quickly about how much of rein they have on their emotions. So regarding Kobe, you may be right, he may be an F, I'm not sure, all I am is pretty sure he is a J. This is a guy who will meet somebody at a party and be like, "What use is this guy to me?" Just absolutely ruthless and a terrible person to be around outside of work.

When you talk about pathologies of personality, it certainly does seem like Kobe has an inferiority complex when it comes to Jordan. It's almost like body dysmorphic disorder where no matter what happens a person will feel like a part of themselves is ugly or inadequate. In Kobe's case that part would be his NBA career. A little known fact, however, is that such insecurity is a hallmark of narcissistic PD, something we talk about a lot in reference to Royce White for example. People with narcissism don't just exude this feeling of confidence and entitlement, however; they also are doing it reflexively to mask their inner lack of self worth. If we're gonna ascribe an element of narcissistic trait to Kobe then (I don't say personality disorder with Kobe because, hell, he's been damn successful because of it), then you certainly have to think about INTJ as a possibility. INTJ are the most common people to have narcissism, and this is why it is the tiebreaker for me between the other possibilities in my mind.

 

Why does every team have to have one "the man"?

 

It's Leslie Alexander's team. He owns the team.

 

It's a team. Who cares who's team it is? They can both be leaders. Nobody has to be the sole leader and alpha dog. That's just a lie purported by the media.

Every player should be expected to step up on the court regardless of who "the guy" is. There's no need to cause division by having to have a single leader

 

I'm an expert on myers briggs types. There is 100% no best type for sports.

Kobe is ISFJ
Pau Gasol is INFP
Steve Nash is ISTP

Harden is ESFP
Dwight is ESFJ
Parsons is ESFJ
Lin is ISFJ

Michael Jordan is ESTP
Magic Johnson is ESFJ

Tony Parker is ISTP
Tim Duncan is ISTJ
Manu Ginobili is INTP

LeBron James is ESFJ
Dwayne Wade is ISFP

Shaq is ESFP
Kyrie Irving is ESTJ
Billups is ESTJ
Chris Paul is ESFJ
Kevin Durant is ISTP

Probably JR Smith is ISFP, as well as Rudy Gay

I think McHale might be ESTP. Popovich is probably ESTP. Phil Jackson is ESTJ

 

Also, Myers Briggs types do not change over time.

 

It's Mauri's team.

Then it's Lin >> Parsons > Asik > Smith > Harden > DHo

 

QUOTE=calmdowntime;8116438]I'm an expert on myers briggs types. There is 100% no best type for sports.

From the book: "Again, we see the ISTP having the best overall potential to succeed to the heights of athletic professionalism. In the NBA, more top-notch players are ISTP than any other Brain Type."

Assessed Brain Types from the Book

Kobe is ISFJ - ISFP
Pau Gasol is INFP
Steve Nash is ISTP ESTP

Harden is ESFP
Dwight is ESFJ
Parsons is ESFJ
Lin is ISFJ

Michael Jordan is ESTP ISTP
Magic Johnson is ESFJ ESFP

Tony Parker is ISTP INFP
Tim Duncan is ISTJ ISFP
Manu Ginobili is INTP ENTP

LeBron James is ESFJ ESFP
Dwayne Wade is ISFP ISFP

Shaq is ESFP ISTP though I agree that he appears more like and ESFP
Kyrie Irving is ESTJ
Billups is ESTJ ISFP
Chris Paul is ESFJ
Kevin Durant is ISTP

Probably JR Smith is ISFP, as well as Rudy Gay

I think McHale might be ESTP ENTJ. Popovich is probably ESTP. Phil Jackson is ESTJ INTJ

THINK is clearly the word for you. You THINK you are an EXPERT on Brain Types when the actual EXPERT who wrote the book has all different assesments of the players you listed.

 

You are mistaken, my types are more correct than his. He wrote a silly pop psychology book about myers briggs, he is not even close to the person who figured any of this stuff out originally and his information is totally off base.

 

Awesome debate!!! Keep it up, very enlightening.

 

Dwight is the 3rd best player in the nba behind lbj and Durant when healthy. Wait till you see how good he really is healthy and motivated.

 

It's not about what he will accept as long as he thinks he's the top dog... Like Shaq was in Miami... Shaq called Wade his sidekick but that was Wade's team and Pat Riley would text Wade on a daily basis telling him that he was the man and we all saw it play out that way especially when the playoffs rolled around.

Besides, when the game is on the line _ who would have the ball, a guy who throws up bricks at the free throw line or Harden. Plus this is the same team that Howard refused to play for because he thought he couldn't win with these guys but Harden did.

 

I would guess around 100 percent of all NBA players were a "the man" on their teams at the amateur levels so I'm not sure how accurate a brain type assessment would be - considering none of us know these guys personally. I'm sure the most "introverted" guy on the team was probably a "the man" on his college team, etc.

 

You think NBA locker rooms are filled with a bunch of teenage divas?

(actually you might be right on some level)

But no - you don't need to have a single "the man" on a team to be successful. If D12 and Harden are that petty - well then they are selfish players.

I don't *think* D12 is that type of guy. I think what happened in LA was a combination of an arrogant Kobe and a crappy coach. If they fired Pringles and hired Phil Jackson, Dwight probably would have stayed - and the team would still have "been" Kobe's. I don't blame him. Pringles was handed D12 and Pau Gasol and decided to bench Gasol for Earl Clark. Who (besides Nash? or Lin?) would have any confidence in someone like that?

 

Unless all the guys on the list actually took the test, aren't they both just guessing?

 

i see HOF and HOH

 

I think its Hardens team when its clutch time and D12 team when they are blowing out teams lol

 

McHale should be the leader.