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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hlmbasketball, Mar 2, 2025.

  1. hlmbasketball

    hlmbasketball Member

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    While I think Claxton is not in the same class as Sengun but a center like him with an outside shot will benefit the Rockets better than Sengun.

    Ive always thought a Myles Turner next to Jabari would be a really good fit. I think Jabari with his ability to postup and spread the court can become a 18 - 20 ppg scorer w/o Sengun and the court would be spread and not so cluttered inside.
     
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    It's not the def rating dumbass. It's literally opponent points in the paint stat which you've been bullshitting about all day.
     
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    Pacers would trade their left nuts + all their players left nuts for Turner-Sengun swap.
     
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    Must be another unfortunate coincidence that the Rockets allowed a whopping 212 points in the paint in the 3 games that Sengun didn't play.

    Damn those statistical anomalies; why can't you just be on the same page with Stephen's dumbass takes...?
     
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  5. hlmbasketball

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    I dont think I ever said a Turner for Sengun swap. However, I would trade Sengun for a legit SF or a pkg that included Myles Turner and Bennedict Mathurin.

    Ive always Sengun = Sabonis and the more time goes on, people are starting to see the comparison. And Indy trade him for a 2nd yr guard in Haliburton and I think Indy won that trade. So, dont over value Sengun.
     
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  6. Stephen_A

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    So many illiterate people on this site. Maybe you’re dyslexic? This is what happens when you spend hours a day on Tik Tok. Kids take note. Don’t be like this guy.
     
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    how about we swing Sengun, Cam, Fred and maybe Tari for Turner and Haliburton? Lol i would take that in a heartbeat.
     
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    ah yes apologies. The old opp points in the paint argument by comparing points to other Rockets players with no context or further investigation or analysis.lol
     
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    Huh lol? Writing a couple lines with no context only makes you look dumber.
     
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    I wish turner still played defense, he would be a really good fit, but he just sucks now on that end.
     
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    Go!
     
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    Should be centered around sengun and Tate
     
  13. punter

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    Yes, the Rockets aren't winning anything as Sengun their best player, however Sengun being the best player of the Rockets is not really his fault.

    Majority of the people here do not overvalue Sengun. You just overvalue Jalen.
     
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    I am pretty sure Sengun has one of the top def ratings on the team lol

    Edit: Sengun is mainly an offensive player not a defensive player. He is called baby Jokic not baby Jarett Allen. Blaming him for defensive woes is just dumb he is carrying his own weight defensively.
     
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    We have DB, Tari and even Cam and you want Turner and Mathurin for Sengun???

    Indiana would do that trade in a heartbeat I dunno what is the fascination with Turner if he is that good Indiana would be seen as a contender.
     
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    No. Defensive ratings as with all metrics should not solely be used to determine a player’s defensive abilities.
     
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    Did I say it should be the only metric? It IS a metric that shows Sengun isnt doing bad defensively and he is meant to be an offensive player to begin with. Grading him as you would Jarett Allen or Evan Mobley is unfair since his job is to be an offensive hub.

    This is like blaming James Harden for not being as good defensively as Mcdaniels. If Sengun provides the defense of Claxton and Allen while retaining his offense then guess what he would be a superstar, super max player already, not getting paid 38M.
     
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    You brought up def ratings and only def ratings using as your response when I simply said teams are attacking Sengun in the paint and this has been a weakness of the Rockets. So yes you are using one metric in your argument.

    I don’t understand what you mean by “he is meant to be an offensive player”

    Does this mean there can be no criticism of a player’s game? Does this mean this player can never improve or evolve his game? How is an assessment of a glaring weakness unfair?

    Sengun’s job is not just to be an offensive hub. He is a center and a center’s job is to protect the paint when on drop coverage and also helping out when opponents beat their man into the paint. Bigs are supposed to deter and prevent dribble drives. That’s the whole point to my post is teams are driving at will on the Rockets and this is a fact. What are you arguing about?
     
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    I just don't think you understand what each player would bring. Turner is 6'11, meaning he's taller than Sengun plus he can shoot 3's, which mean he would spread the court and he's a shot blocker.

    Maturing is a dead I shooter, none of which we don't have.
     
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    So, you're admitting that Sengun is not a 2 - way player, mainly, because he's a hub. That's my main point from the start of this thread, remember.....Do you think the Rockets are better going through Sengun??

    I don't! I think they are better with him being a piece to the offense, scoring 15 - 20 ppg but not the HUB. He doesn't possess the stamina to be a 2-way player and he is not overtly talented offensively, so making him a HUB is not wise.
     

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