Are the Republicans losing their national party status?

The big rumor is that he's a closet Muslim and has documented links to terror organizations. That could come back to bite him.

 

I agree, which goes to the point of my confusion as to what qualifies a contemporary politician as a "conservative." It seems to me that, apart from tax cuts for the rich, modern Democrats better embody just about every traditional conservative principle than Republicans do.

 

Link? TIA. The "big rumor" where? If that's what you're counting on, well, you're as wrong on this as you generally are on, well, you know, everything. Obama's a Christian.

Now would you like to clarify the racist "Balack" smear? Maybe you could just say it was a typo. Or maybe you'd like to go ahead and stand up against black people. What do you think? Typo or it's fun to riff on how this guy's black?

 

Actually, I find it racist of you to think that just because he has *some* black in him that he is "black". He's actually half white. Your logic goes back to the slave trade days when any black in a person mean they were 100% black. That's just horrible of you. Really the only standard by which Obama is 'black' is the standard set by white segregationists during the Jim Crow era. That's great company you are keeping with that opinion, Batman. I suppose Tiger Woods and Halle Berry are also 'black'? You need education, son.

Obama's black father abandoned him when he was a very young child. Obama was then raised by the white side of his family. He's a lot more 'white' than he is 'black' if you want to boil it down to those crude terms (as you clearly do).

 

We can have that conversation if you want after you explain why you called him "Balack." Was it a typo or are you a racist? It's a simple question.

 

What you fail to mention is that the Democrats still controlled the House through-out the Regan - Bush revolution and lost it......when the Dems took the presidency....and regained....when the Repub had the presidency.

Tipping point? Not so sure. Was Vietnam a tipping point? Was Nixon a tipping point? He resigned, the country elected honest Carter who lasted 4 years.

When it comes to politics - nothing is predictable.

 

- What do we do about Obama, you guys?! We got nothing on him!

- Well, we could start rumors about how he's a Muslim terrorist. After all, his name is almost Osama and his middle name's Hussein!

- Good one!

- Also, his dad was black. That's gotta be good for something...

- I know! We'll call him "Balack." That'll remind the racists that he's black and then when people complain we can talk about how he's not black ENOUGH!

- But what about the issues?

- Screw the issues. We don't need them! His name makes people think of terrorists and Saddam and he's freaking BLACK!

 

Ho! Ho! Ho!

If anyone is crude here, it's you, Trader_J. Subtlety is a word foreign to your personal "dictionary." Crude attempts at humor, and crude attempts to get some people here just ticked off for your personal pleasure is more to your taste.



D&D. Ho. Ho. Ho.

 

It was not a typo, nor am I racist. I am very open minded with regard to race. Obviously I have a unique perspective that you, as a white male with very little cultural knowledge, do not have.

You are racist, as evidenced by my very compelling post above, in which you incorporate white segregationist standards in determining that Obama is black.... charges which you are not defending against.

 

Cool. So your knock on Obama is that he is secretly Muslim, has ties to terrorists (no link on either of those rumors, of course) and isn't black enough.

You're a ****ing racist pig.

 

Batman, you're doing exactly what he's trying to get you to do. You should know by now that no one here (who could do anything) will do anything about anything Trader_J says. So he trys to goad you, and you just can't help getting ticked off at him. Bro, it ain't worth the aggravation.



D&D. Aggravation is a State of Mind.

 

Still, Hillary has a *lot* of baggage. I mean, a *lot*.

Obama would do well in the midwest and south....where Hillary is absolutely detested. While Hillary certainly would be popular in the northeast....I think it would be a fairly close primary race....and Obama is spotless compared to Hillary's stains.

Obama is a great orator, as is Hillary - but what can she attack Obama on? Inexperience? That might actually play to Obama's favor if he's savvy enough to position himself as an outsider.

I think an Obama-Guliani election would be fun to watch. I wouldn't know who to vote for there. But I'd feel confident that either way we'd get a great president in office - the kind that would be able to galvanize and truly inspire this country - something we have sorely need.

I'd take Obama over McCain though, and I'd take McCain or Gulliani over Hillary any day of the week.

 

In addition to the points you mention above, he also is against defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman, wants to raise our taxes, wants the US to donate Iraq to al Qaeda immediately, is a strong proponent of racial quotas, wants to adopt protectionist trade policies which raise consumer prices, wants to decrease the value of all of our stock portfolios, and wants to increase our dependence on foreign oil.

Other than that, he's great! After all, according to you, he's an articulate black man. That should be good enough. The issues don't matter.

 

I'm not aggravated. Jorge is a racist. What's wrong with saying it out loud? He's proved it on many occasions and here he's doing it again. It doesn't aggravate me. It saddens me like all instances of racism do, but it doesn't aggravate me. It does aggravate me a little that anybody gets banned from this forum ever for any reason at all but Jorge doesn't for calling someone "Balack," clearly intended to slam a guy for his blackness or Jorge's supposed insinuation of his not-black-enoughness -- in which case he wins with racists two times. But whatever. I used to get heated up by this forum, but not anymore. There's not a single person here making a serious opposition argument. How could I care enough to get in a real argument?

 

Bill Clinton has a lot of responsibility for blurring the lines for sure...but let's not forget that a lot of these newly elected Dems are conservative....especially compared with their liberal brethen like Pelosi.

I have no stomach for her to be honest, why the parties choose the most extreme elements to control their party has always escaped me.

In any case, what is conservative? A true conservative by their vary nature are skeptics and tend to enact policy against risk. They go with what's tried and true versus big and bold.

From a military sense - conservatives favor a strong military, but are anti-national building - like what we did in Iraq. Conservatives favor isolationism. Conservatives would be against gay marriage for sure, but they also would be for sound environmental policy. Teddy Rosevelt was a true conservative. Conservatives trust in America's principles, and don't like the Patriot act. A true conservative doesn't think the gov't should make decisions about a woman's body - but they don't like abortions. Real conservatives are realists. They know when the wind blows against them, and they adjust. They are pragmatic.

Liberals are about idealism. They don't care about consequences as much as they do about putting their beliefs in front and acheiving them at costs....costs to others even. They are not concerned about consequences. Liberals will push gay marriage because they feel right is more important than anything. Liberals will push anti-abortion legislation or the patriot act because they don't care about risks...a liberal will be willing to invade Iraq on a whim...

Yes - that's right, when it really comes down to it - people like Rumsfield are actually liberals. Liberal in the truest sense of the word. They take their roles liberally, their power liberally. The throw troops and policy out as they feel like it, without a sense of risk or consequence. Their arrogance makes them the worst kind of liberals there are - liberals with a lot of power.

Well, at least that's my take.

 

I went and checked, and sure enough, Obama is only half black. When you look at a picture, it's really hard to tell.

 

much ado about nothing. you can't even tell how he's mocking him or if he is truly mocking him. It's just a bad pun anyway - why make so much of it?

 

I'm glad you're not aggravated. I get aggravated here, sometimes, although not at Trader_J, who I view as a bad running joke. I disagree that we never see any serious opposition argument, however. The "problem," in my opinion, is that some of those who used to make some of the best arguments for what you and I would call the opposition have changed a lot of their views on the Democratic Party. Some of them, I suspect, even voted Democratic in a lot of races this time, or for another party besides the GOP. They've realized that the GOP isn't at all what they had believed. That doesn't mean they've become liberals, but that they are looking for other choices. Now, as you pointed out, they have some, and in the Democratic Party.




D&D. A Steroidal Lovefest.

 

You're right. He's not an anti-gay bigot. He should lose the anti-gay bigot vote. So should Giuliani and Romney. I hope you like Brownback! Most of the other anti-gay bigot candidates have dropped out on account of being soundly rejected by voters. I bet you freaking loved Rick Santorum. You guys are very alike.

As you well know, he does not want to raise "our" taxes unless "we" are in about the top 1% earners in the country. I'm not. Are you? If so, you should have your taxes raised. Your idiot president put us in a stupid war we have to find a way out of and somebody's got to pay for it.

I missed the article where Obama said he wanted to donate Iraq to Al Qaeda. Link? TIA!!! Last I heard, his position was pretty similar to Jack Murtha's which, as it finally turns out, is pretty much the same as James Baker's and Don Rumsfeld's. It must get lonely screaming that the entire damn country, even most top Republicans, is for Al Qaeda. The only difference between Obama and virtually every serious Republican on Iraq is that he had the idea first and knew the war was an incredible mistake before it happened. In this case, you see, Obama = me and many others on this board; virtually the rest of the entire country = someone like MadMax who believed the hype and regrets supporting this debacle of a war; and you and basso (and presumably all the pro-war goons that ran away like your brother texxx) = Bush. Twenty people shouting at the rest of the country that we love Al Qaeda isn't all that compelling. The war was never going to have a good result, it failed, way too many people died unnecessarily and it's time to end it. I've been telling you guys that for years. Obama has been too. Given the overwhelming opinion of the American public, you're not going to have a lot of luck tarring him with that.

Racial quotas? Is he pro-affirmative action? I didn't know that. Good for him.

And if he's against the wholesale export of American jobs, good for him there too.

I can only assume the last items on your list are the usual Racist_Jorge crap. Really, I can only assume that about anything you've written in this thread.

For someone who so regularly demands links and then shouts NO CRED whether they're provided or not, you're pretty lame here.

Where's a link on any of the positions you attribute to Obama above?

And, more important, where's even ONE SINGLE LINK ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET that asserts that Obama is a "closet Muslim" or "has links to terrorists?"

You're a liar. And a particularly flacid one at that.

 

Keep it up, Trader_J. You may prove me wrong and get the boot yet.



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