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Are the Astros about to go on the meaningless run?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by T-Slack, Aug 3, 2011.

  1. MadMax

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    This brings up an important point...I'd like to restate that I really hope the Pirates aren't the model of what we want to be when we grow up. I know everyone got all loopy when they were ONE GAME OVER .500 for the first time in 427 years....but turns out, they still suck. They just don't suck as bad as we do.
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Yep. As I said in an earlier post, the only thing I want the Astros to emulate the Pirates doing is to sign the consensus number one pick in the draft.
     
  3. leroy

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    And I only want 1 of them. Don't want multiple #1's in a short period of time. Might work out nicely for the Nats, but it only means we're the worst team in baseball more than once.
     
  4. T-Slack

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    I like it when people put words in peoples mouths and bring up examples to help with their argument but leave out some important points. Reminds me of the Republican debates. I never said getting the number one pick will turn us into the Yankees. I hope we turn out to be the Tigers, Rays, Rangers. Cause you know what those clubs have in common? They were all bottom feeder as you call it in the last 10 years, Rays having the top pick like 3 times, and Tigers and Rangers having high draft chooses for multiple years and now all of those teams have been to the world series in the last 5 or 6 years. Get it through your thick head that we have to fall on hard times to get back where we were in the mid 2000's. Those 3 teams I mention spent almost 10 years to get where they are now. You mention the Pirates and I'll even give you the Royals that have high picks for years but haven't gone anywhere. Its a combination of drafting wrong and not making or winning trades. You can't just depend on your picks. I agree with you that we should try to be a contending team while building the farm system like the Philles, but our gm is too stupid to walk and chew at the same time.
    I hope our rebuilding doesn't take 10 years. With the first picks in the college and rule 5 draft, the players we got in trades in the last two years and probably a top 5 pick in 2013 I hope it helps us turn around real quickly.

    But I'll ask you this msn. Since you don't like people cheering that the Astros are the worst team in baseball and getting the 1st pick. The Baltimore Orioles two weeks ago was behind us for the 2nd pick. Then recently went on a run which I was afraid the Astros would do and now are in the 5th spot with the Royals and another team close behind him. So if you were a Orioles fan, you would be happy that they went on a meaningless streak and missing out on the 2nd best player which I'm hearing is that SS from Arizona state? Oh Face!!! Go in the kitchen and make me a sandwich but hold the mustard, you just got served.
     
  5. rpr52121

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    I don't think there is a consensus No. 1 pick in the draft next year.
     
  6. msn

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    T-Slack, it's called hyperbole. Look it up.

    "Get it through your thick head that we have to fall on hard times to get where we were in the mid 2000's." Do you realize you're talking to someone who followed the Astros through the 70s and 80s?

    Here are some things for you to try and absorb through your own thick head:
    * The baseball draft ain't like the others. No Strasburg or Harper this year, baby. Who's the obvious #1? Who's going to be the Astros' savior? You know how much difference there will be between any of the top 10 picks? Not much. You know how many lower round picks will also perform just as well? 4 or 5. How about your team manage the *entire* draft well rather than SUCK HISTORICALLY hoping to land a Bryce Harper that DOESN"T EXIST next year. Do you get it yet, thickhead?

    * You really want to be the Tigers? Awesome. In the last twenty years, how often have they been relevant. Oh, and "in the last six years" guess who else has been to the world series. 2005 was a good year.

    * If I'm an Orioles fan, I'm hoping Angelos sells the team. He could draft Babe Ruth and still manage to screw things up. In the meantime, I enjoy some decent baseball for the three weeks they managed to do it.

    * Check out the Nationals in four years. You know who we're going to be talking about in the NL East? Unless they make organizational changes, we'll still be talkign about the Braves and Phillies. Because #1 picks don't save bad organizations.

    The only thing I got "served" was another boatload of drivel from another guy who thinks MLB is just like his fantasy league.

    Losing is for losers. Celebrating losing is also for losers.
     
  7. msn

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    The point: the Astros have built winners three times in their history, all without being the losingest team in the league and all without the mythical saving "first pick!!!!!1".

    Most teams who draft first remain losers. You know why? Because losing is for losers.

    Fearing getting "mired in mediocrity" is an interesting thought: do you not fear getting mired in Royal-dom or Pirate-ness?

    And, I'm sorry I returned your whole "thick head" schtick. I really disagree with your perspective, but it doesn't make you thick-headed or stupid. Even if you don't realize the converse is also true.
     
  8. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    By the time the season ends there may be. My point is, I don't want them to settle for a signable pick as they did with Nevin. If there are 3 'consensus' picks, I'd prefer them to sign one of them rather than the 4th or 5th guy because he'll take less money.
     
  9. rpr52121

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    True, but they went after Springer this year in the 1st round and did a good job of signing nearly all the high ceiling draftees this year. I would think they would continue to do that.

    Where is everyone getting the idea that the Astros are "destined" to an extended period of bad baseball? Yes, they spend 3-4 years of signing over-the-hill MLB's instead of continuing to the build their minors. Yes, now that they have realized their mistake they seem to be focusing on building the minors and not wasting money on unnecessary free agents. But I just don't see why you are all so certain that the Astros are looking at being the Pirates for the next 15 years?
     

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