Not really forgetting, I already said the Japanese internments were racist. The thing I'm arguing about is this idea that we're going easy on Russians because they're white. I think that idea is stupid. Maybe a little thought experiment here is appropriate. What if it was China that had hacked our elections (and, to keep other things constant, our President was bending over for Xi on television and saying what a great competitor he is instead of grousing about unfair trade practices). Do you believe we would see a backlash and a distrust of everyday Chinese Americans today as a result? I don't think so. I don't think we associate the goals of the Chinese communist government with the desires of everyday Chinese who have come to our country.
on the heels of the ZTE controversy and tariff war, what do you think ? seems to me that ur reluctant to state the obvious
Hypotheticals ain't perfect, so you'll have to flexible. I can't really think of another non-white country that is otherwise neutral that could credibly be our hacker. Say, somehow, it was Vietnam. Will anyone be looking askance at the patrons of the local Vietnamese sandwich shop? As for things that are obvious, it is obvious that Russians aren't getting some preferential treatment because they're white. They're getting preferential treatment because our President is dirty and will not protect us from Russian aggression. Like I said earlier, people take their cues from the top. Remember how people changed their tune on Putin after Trump's election? Republican sentiment improved 45 percentage points.
good question, i'll answer it this way. let's compare how convicted Russian spy Ann Chapman and Chinese American Wen Ho Lee were treated. Chapman, a Russian national, was under FBI surveillance for years; they later arrested her for espionage---never shacked in chain---who got her day in court, which find her guilty of espionage. Lee was a US citizen w secret clearance working for Los Alamos Defense lab. in the late 90s, China was testing many advanced missiles. suspicions abound that there must be a someone selling secrets to the Chinese. There were a number of Asians working in Las Alamo, but Lee was the only one that speaks English w a HEAVY accent. Even tho he was a FBI informant for the NM office, who had vouched for his patrioticism to the US. FBI HQ decided to jailed Lee, and shackled him in chain, even tho they don't know what secret Lee had supposedly stolen, as well as to which country he had supposedly passed the secrets. this farce was easily exposed in court. the judge threw the case out of court and bashed the US Govt Lee later sued the Govt for wrongful prosecution and received millions in settlement
This is a ridiculous poll, as you're comparing two completely different things. ter·ror·ism [ˈterəˌrizəm] NOUN the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. What Russia has done is clandestine technological operations which is cyberwarfare, not terrorism. cy·ber·war·fare [ˌsībərˈwôrfer] NOUN the use of computer technology to disrupt the activities of a state or organization, especially the deliberate attacking of information systems for strategic or military purposes.
@adoo, an interesting anecdote but you're all over the place. You keep shifting who are the actors, who are the targets, what is the stimulus, etc. Its hard to have a debate this way. I'll leave it at my original core objection: the prejudicial treatment suffered by Japanese Americans and Muslim Americans in those first two examples were due to cultural mistrust of every member of the target subpopulation and were racist. If the argument is that we're not acting irrationally racist right now, I agree (should we, btw, lament that we're not being irrationally racist in this one instance?). But, there are a lot of ingredients that are different here, not just race.
Yes, obviously by invoking an attack that took place in Hawaii, you were asking for an itemized list of attacks that took place only in the continental US. It was my fault for not understanding such an obvious point, thank you so much for breaking it down in such a way that even dumb old StupidMoniker could understand. Ass.
Unfortunately these are three discrete events with wildly different impact and traceability. Germany declaring war on America twice is probably a better analogy; or maybe responses from the Rosenbergs to the Cuban missile crisis against Soviet nuclearization. But to your point we have things like inventing immigration policy to curb the Chinese or creating an ethnic group out of whole cloth to confiscate property in California and Texas.
White supremacists in the US might think that Russia is a "white, Christian nation" but they would be not just wrong, they would be tragically wrong. This premise assumes most of the land mass of Russia isn't Asia and inhabited by indigenous asian people and that it doesn't have craploads of ethnic populations. The country's most famous pop singer is Korean. Russia's defense minister is Tuvan and if I'm not mistaken, is Tengrist -- there's not a shortage of ethnic or religious diversity in government or public life in general. It has four "official" religions: Orthodox Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Judaism, which means they receive state subsidies and are considered part of the national culture. Christianity is the largest population but it's percentage is far less than any western nation other than Kosovo, Albania, or Bosnia. Islam is the second largest and has by number, the largest Muslim population in Europe. They aren't immigrants. They are Russians and have been Russians since there was a Russia to be in. I'd post numbers but to be honest, they aren't very consistent and I don't know how well I trust them, especially since most Russians will identify with a religion but generally aren't believers (though numbers are rising) and they often intermarry which makes counting a bit tricky. Case in point: My old flatmate in Tel Aviv had a Jewish mom and a Tatar father. His mother's family says by Jewish law, he's Jewish. His father's family says by Islamic law, he's Muslim. He said he never forgive the Israeli government for pressuring his mother to circumcise him at 7 when they moved to Israel from Kazan. When he was drafted he kept his promise, refused to serve, and spent a year in army prison. His wife's family is Christian. There has been an actual terror attack in the US not so long ago by a Russian perpetrator, so I think looking at the reaction to the Boston Marathon bombing might answer the OP's question of "what if" a Russian perpetrated a terror attack in the US.
So in your mind the DNC getting hacked and having some of the shitty things they say behind the scenes leaked is an "existential threat"? LOL, really?
Two men, A Muslim and a White Christian shoot up 50 people at separate music venues. Here's what they say about each: Muslim = terrorist attack inspired by their culture. White = deranged individual who needs help as it is not normal for white people. Folks, that is called inherent bias. The true basis for racism.
The part where you employ a phrase not in your original text to conflate a military invasion, mass murder and an unexpected electoral return.
You do realize that Russia's Communist Party hasn't been in power since 1991, is Putin's main adversary and not exactly popular, right?
the dizzying height of intellectually dishonesty, it's Putin ordering the cyber attack on the US the hacking of emails of both Dem and Rep campaign, then releasing the DNC portion to Wikileaks stealing voter analytics from these campaigns planting bots, such as Bobby small, in social media to sow discord, as well as spreading dis-information
