Are leadership and intangibles important to the Texans (poll)

You realize you just quoted this, right:

Maybe not to the numbers you are quoting but I have no doubt they would play harder if Vince was QB instead of Carr.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?

 

you just completely proved major's point. you keep moving the target and distorting the conversation.

nowhere did he say having VY would make Dayne a 1500 yard rusher. just that he might be able to get guys to play harder..more inspired.

you're twisting and spinning. your website has been slamming VY all season long and now you're eating crow.

 

I am truly amazed at how many people discount intangibles. I guess that is why the Texans have no identity and are so generic.
I'm thinking Ric is just taking the Hoge approach, and not admitting he is wrong at this point.

 

it's not a business, max - it's a game where natural talent is the greatest commodity.

says the guy who conveniently ignored the three times DD responded, resoundingly by his own admission, "yes."

my guess is that like kubiak's radio show and the many other things you respond to second-hand, you haven't actually READ my web site. keith, who's currently running it, is a longhorn alumni, as is another one of the writers (bob). dave, who HATES the titans, vince or no vince, has slammed vy, but you'll be hard-pressed to find a SINGLE article of mine, or even a single post, in which i, personally, have slammed vy.

i mean, you want to talk about twisting and spinning - i don't even know how this is even remotely relevant other than it being a flaccid attempt to try and rip the site.

 

i have no intention of making this personal. your website is a good fan website. that's great. i have no idea who writes what articles when. i just know i've read some decidedly negative crap about VY there that doesn't comport with reality.

you and i will never see eye to eye on this.

i'll tell you when i'm responding to something second-hand.

 

that's fine; but you then applied it to me without first verifying if i had, in fact, been the one to write the negative crap, MM, which was unfair and decidedly inaccurate.

i've never ripped vy. i've ripped the hero worship of vy. did it here, in fact:
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/slant/slant65.html
and if you don't bother to read it, which is fine, let me at least quote this:

 

PS i wrote that last january, a week or so after the rose bowl.

 

Ric, you truly confuse me

 

honestly, updawg, far too many people are blowing my stance completely beyond the realm of reality.

i've NEVER been negative toward vince young; ever (aside from my sworn duty as an aggie to be negative toward any longhorn). i've only been dismissive of the hero worship; but people have been so blinded by it, they're taking my (imo) rational approach as being negative.

i'm merely pointing out that MANY factors IN ADDITION to vy have contributed to the titans turnaround and to dismiss or ignore those and then get all worked up into a snit re: young and the texans is being disingenuous.

 

sorry; i just find it hard to fathom a large group of gifted athletes are prone to mail it in absent some andy robbins-like teammate. i find it even harder to believe that even if they could summon another level of effort, that it would somehow circumvent whatever their normal ceiling is for physical output. a guy's either fast, or he's not; vince young or no vince young.

if you're going to argue teammates hate david carr and therefore mail it in... i could maybe buy that - but then, that's just as large an indictment of the players themselves as it is carr. as is the opposite - they only try when vy inspires them, too... so, they're essentially selfish malcontents that need to be told when to earn their paychecks.....?

 

happens all the time, you'll be seeing the texans doing it very soon.

Ric, all your other opinions have sense to them, I may not agree but with them but at least I can see they are logical. I just don't see how you are so off base on this one though.

 

Ric is an aggie?

 

Ummm, this happens at every level of sports. When you're being paid millions, there are a lot of people who are just going to coast and be happy to making the money. The rumored reason that the Astros lost interest in Adam Dunn a few years ago is that they felt he was content to just play and didn't care that much about winning or playing hard.

It's also the reason many people prefer college football to the pros - because all the kids are just playing for the love of the game rather than simply to earn a paycheck.

Have you really never had any experience in a leadership role?

 

Is that an insult?

Ric,

I admire your persistence on the topic, but those that oppose are never going to back down. They have drank the VY juice. That juice has lasting effects on how you view your team. Not with trust, patience, reason, and hope. Rather with resentment, illogic, and foregone conclusions.

 

"Obviously, we have guys in here who think it's OK just to show up and play, and not prepare all week and just think it's going to get done. It doesn't work that way," Bulger said. "There's more than one guy in this locker room that could care less if we're losing or thinks it's OK to make mistakes.

...

"It's not everyone," Bulger said. "Steven, he's out there trying to get 2 extra yards on the last drive. His body's sore, he's taking a pounding ... you think he cares? Yeah.

"You hate to see guys like that who are laying it on the line and then see guys ... that not only could care less, but they're getting their paycheck on Monday and it's OK."

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Todd Steussie, a 13-year veteran on the offensive line, said Bulger's comments rang true.

"It's been evident to me all year," said Steussie, who is in his first season with the Rams. "I'm not talking about everybody, by any means, but there are guys, repeat offenders, that I think their level of dedication is during business hours and business hours only. ...

"I don't think we have guys out there quitting, but I feel like the preparation level coming into games isn't always where it needs to be for all the guys on our offense. I think some guys need a reality check on the dedication level that this game takes.


But yeah, everyone always gives maximum effort in all things in life.

 

IT'S THE WILL TO WIN, THE WILL TO SUCCEED that separates the great ones from the pack.

Resounding YES to this, yes there are players who have that IT, that helps to elevate their teammates play, to play more focused and ultimately, find a way to win when it seems like their isnt a chance in hell of it happening. Extra examples: Bird, Dr J, Montana, Unitas, Namath, Bradshaw.

You may have hated these guys but you cannot deny their ability to INSPIRE a championship effort, to supercede their physical abilities with incredible mental focus and emotional tenacity. In other words, play with heart and play like a CHAMPION!

This is far easier a sell if you have a star player with fiery competitive spirit rather than an average or good player HOPING he can get it done!

The "IT" factor. The great ones have it. Enough said.

 

It's not a *huge* difference. Like I said, this poll is poor. Ric, I think you might be thinking it's bigger than it is. It's an extra yard at the end of a long run. Maybe overall, it's 5% more in a game at different moment. But those 1 or 2 yards at a time add up.

See those guys who will constantly dip their shoulders instead of running out of bounds...extra 1, 2, 3 yards add up quickly.

 

Ric, since you are an aggie, maybe this will help you out

Do you notice how each year when the aggies play UT they get more pumped up for that game than they do for someone such as Rice? Did you notice this year that with each hit Mcgee would take, his team would get a little more inspired from it?

 

leadership is what david carr lacks!!! he really seems to have every other tool needed to be good, strong arm, speed, strength.......but for some reason its a new season and the same old story. its too bad sage broke hid thumb.