1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Are changes even necessary?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by spysta, Apr 10, 2010.

  1. LewLLOYD

    LewLLOYD Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    1,669
    Likes Received:
    102
    we've got a lot of pieces that haven't played with each other yet.
    really interested to see who will finish games next year.

    and while we could stay put, i do see more trades in our future.
    i see multiple assets being traded for a bigger more athletic borderline superstar player.

    ab/lowry
    martin/taylor
    ariza/battier/budinger
    scola/hill/jeffries
    yao/hayes/andersen
     
  2. BleedRocketsRed

    BleedRocketsRed Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2009
    Messages:
    7,089
    Likes Received:
    603
    Scola+Brooks for Bosh+Jack

    DO IT MOREY
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    124,577
    Likes Received:
    33,571
    Thank God Morey is not as dumb as this.

    DD
     
  4. BleedRocketsRed

    BleedRocketsRed Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2009
    Messages:
    7,089
    Likes Received:
    603
    Brooks for Jack is a downgrade but Lowry could be a good starter.
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    124,577
    Likes Received:
    33,571
    Not on a playoff or championship team, he can't shoot and refs stop calling the flops in the playoffs.

    Lowry is a good backup....no a GREAT backup, he is our Bobby Jackson, not the same, but a guy who comes in and changes the pace and style of play.

    DD
     
  6. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    24,178
    Likes Received:
    14,283
    Yes. Baseball and football (not basketball), but nice use of ad hominem attack to support your argument. This team is already being reformed. Yao has played very little if at all with Martin, Ariza, Budinger, Hill, and Lowry. Lowry is very capable to take the starter role and if you are worried about running the offense...Lowry is already better at it. I don't want to trade Brooks, but the Rockets need big changes to get to be a contender.

    If Peter is going to file a lawsuit against you, and Paul is going to kill you if you don't pay up...yes you rob Peter to pay Paul.
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    124,577
    Likes Received:
    33,571

    No, you are wrong, Lowry is not good at running the offense, he is good at transition.

    Do you see Yao busting it up and down the floor?

    And Transition does not work in the playoffs, you need guys who can shoot from the outside to make teams pay for packing the paint.

    I am sorry, but Lowry is a career backup, unless he somehow learns to shoot.

    DD
     
  8. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2007
    Messages:
    50,246
    Likes Received:
    41,013
    Well Lebron's, Kobe's, and Jordan's come into the league like every 10 years. So I guess we can just wait around for the next one and hope we are in position to get them.

    The thing is, you are not robbing a position if you get a solid player back like Jack/Banks and Lowry is more than capable of being a starting PG. He had great vision, plays great defense, and is good at getting to the lane. To me, Brooks is not significantly better than Lowry to make him un-tradeable.

    Also a starting lineup of...

    Brooks
    Martin
    Ariza/Chase
    Bosh
    Yao

    Is a contending team. Any time you have a shot at creating a team like this you go for it. Also Bosh is a Superstar, again he's only 26, just because he hasn't taken his team to the finals at this point...again like a Jordan or Kobe doesn't make him non elite.

    Name Power Forwards BETTER than Bosh and see what you come up with. To many he is the Best PF in the NBA. How is that not elite? Is Brooks a top 5 PG? Is Brooks a top 10 PG? He's a good player but he can be replaced.

    There have been many guys who score 20ppg a few seasons and get replaced.
     
  9. larsv8

    larsv8 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    21,663
    Likes Received:
    13,914
    Scola is a RFA, if Morey wants him here, he has no choice. Furthermore there is almost 100 minutes to go between the PF/C position next year. If Yao is limited to 25, then there is still 35+ minutes available to Scola per game.

    Childress might, he might not. Those other leagues are shaky. The competition isnt good and the money isnt always guaranteed. I don't know if you know this, but Greece is having a major financial crisis atm.
     
  10. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    46,875
    Likes Received:
    18,610
    Scola will demand a trade or maybe even go back to europe. You never know.

    You think Scola would be happy coming off the bench? I don't think so.

    The Greek economy has nothing to do with the Olympiacos family of teams. They are more than set financially. If Childress is as happy to stay and play like he has for the last 2 years what makes you think He'll take less money when he can just play one more year and make double the MLE?

    Fact is if Bosh is coming, Scola is the odd man out.
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    124,577
    Likes Received:
    33,571
    Back on topic.

    I do not believe major changes are needed, try to keep the core together, and either trade Shane or Trevor.....

    Keep the rest of the guys in place.

    Sometimes the best hand is to just stay pat.

    DD
     
  12. BucMan55

    BucMan55 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2005
    Messages:
    4,736
    Likes Received:
    62
    Yeah, don't screw it up trying to do an overhaul. If something comes along that works without messing up the main chemistry, you do it.
     
  13. Hakeemtheking

    Hakeemtheking Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    Messages:
    9,193
    Likes Received:
    6,059

    Jay's arguments have some merit DD. First, you are getting back a player who is arguably better than Scola AND younger. Secondly, what did exactly Pau Gasol accomplished before he went to the Lakers?
     
  14. Yetti

    Yetti Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    9,572
    Likes Received:
    517
    Yes changes are necessary:-
    1) We are too small and not very athletic.
    2) We have too many inexperienced players upon which we are depending.
    3) We have no play maker Point Guard.
    4) We have no back up Center.
    5) We have no defensive Coach.
    6) The team's defense is not good.
    7) We are inconsistent :p
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    124,577
    Likes Received:
    33,571

    Yes, but the Lakers did not trade their CORE players to get Pau, now did they?

    DD
     
  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    124,577
    Likes Received:
    33,571
    1. Yes, we could use more size.
    2. Experience is overated.
    3. We have 2 playmaking PGs.
    4. We do need a backup C
    5. Rick is a great coach offense and defense.
    6. Lots of changes and no center = bad defense.
    7. See the lots of changes comment.

    DD
     
  17. pmac

    pmac Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2007
    Messages:
    8,025
    Likes Received:
    2,638
    I don't think the core of a non-playoff team is important enough to keep together.
     
  18. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    124,577
    Likes Received:
    33,571
    This is a playoff team with a healthy Yao.....even without Yao it is a playoff team.

    Now that we have gotten Kmart and Hill.

    They would be much better next year as is...even without Yao.

    DD
     
  19. Yetti

    Yetti Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    9,572
    Likes Received:
    517
    Lately Lowry has shown that his play making, passing and sharing have gone down the tube. In fact he is neglecting players who are ready and open for a shot and is missing may shots which he is reserving for himself. :p
     
  20. anchel

    anchel Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    3,877
    Likes Received:
    1,335
    Stats say nothing. You're not getting 5 points and 2 more rebounds a game, you are getting a true all-star. A potential go-to-guy against top-level defense for a particular situation where your best player is well defended. A player who can score 2 or 3 in a row down the stretch of a very tough game. Scola is a very good player, but can't do that.

    A player who has the physical potential to play 3 good defenses against an all-star player or catch 3 decisive rebounds against Odom or Pau at the last 3 minutes of an important playoff game... All this is what makes the difference in the long run between the very good teams and elite teams, the teams that win championships. Potential.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now