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Are Cameras the New Guns?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Lil Pun, Jun 2, 2010.

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rhadamanthus said:

On the subject of cops being undeservedly trusted....

Ohio Supreme Court Rules Cops Can "Estimate" Speed for Ticketing.

I despise cops.
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Your link was about buying World of Warcraft.

#21 rocketsjudoka, Jun 4, 2010

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rocketsjudoka said:

Your link was about buying World of Warcraft.
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Oops.

Here is the link.

COLUMBUS, Ohio – A simple educated guess that a motorist is speeding is all the evidence a police officer needs to write an ironclad speeding ticket, the Ohio Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday.

In a 5-to-1 ruling, the court said an officer's "unaided visual estimation of a vehicle's speed" is strong enough to support a ticket and conviction. A radar speed detector, commonly used by patrolmen, is not needed, the court concluded.

"Independent verification of the vehicle's speed is not necessary to support a conviction for speeding," assuming the officer has been trained and certified by the Ohio Peace Officer Training Academy or similar organization, Justice Maureen O'Connor wrote for the court's majority.

The court's ruling, in a Summit County traffic case, leaves little chance for drivers to argue their way out of tickets when it is their word against the officers' and nothing more.

"In light of this ruling I guess we don't need radar guns anymore, we don't need laser. We might as well throw all that technology out the window," said attorney John Kim, who argued the case on behalf of motorist Mark Jenney.

"And now a police officer based on his own human biases can stand on the side of the road and write all the tickets he wants," Kim said. "So, we have taken Draconian steps backwards."
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#22 rhadamanthus, Jun 4, 2010
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rhadamanthus said:

Oops.

Here is the link.

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d*mn!

"WE WANT THAT D*MN MONEY!!!" - Ohio Supreme Court

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#23 Rocket River, Jun 4, 2010
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How do you think they gave speeding tickets before the radar gun was invented?

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JuanValdez said:

How do you think they gave speeding tickets before the radar gun was invented?
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Driving behind the car and seeing how fast they had to go to keep up?

#25 Steve_Francis_rules, Jun 4, 2010
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Steve_Francis_rules said:

Driving behind the car and seeing how fast they had to go to keep up?
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That's what I figured.

#26 Lil Pun, Jun 4, 2010
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JuanValdez said:

How do you think they gave speeding tickets before the radar gun was invented?
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They clock the time it takes a car between two fixed points.

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Steve_Francis_rules said:

Driving behind the car and seeing how fast they had to go to keep up?
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This happened to me when I was in high school. Far more legitimate than an "estimate".

#28 rhadamanthus, Jun 4, 2010
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rocketsjudoka said:

They clock the time it takes a car between two fixed points.
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Can modern cops do that high level of math???
*grin*

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#29 Rocket River, Jun 4, 2010
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Rocket River said:

Can modern cops do that high level of math???
*grin*

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What do you mean...modern?

Were cops smarter back in the days?

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dback816 said:

What do you mean...modern?

Were cops smarter back in the days?
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It was more of a joke than anything

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#31 Rocket River, Jun 5, 2010
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dback816 said:

What do you mean...modern?

Were cops smarter back in the days?
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My great-grandad was a cop and a math whiz, so I'll say yeah at least one cop back then was smarter then the ones now adays.

But seriously, police are getting some serious privileges that are starting to scare me. It went from having cops do all sorts of stuff in the Jim Crow era, to not being able to do anything(a little before now), to back to doing whatever they want(now). They ethier get too mcuh power and abuse or not enough and are ineffective.

WON'T SOMEONE SOLVE THIS PROBELM AND JUST FIGURE OUT THE APPROPIATE LEVEL OF POWER THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB!!!

#32 da_juice, Jun 5, 2010
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da_juice said:

My great-grandad was a cop and a math whiz, so I'll say yeah at least one cop back then was smarter then the ones now adays.

But seriously, police are getting some serious privileges that are starting to scare me. It went from having cops do all sorts of stuff in the Jim Crow era, to not being able to do anything(a little before now), to back to doing whatever they want(now). They ethier get too mcuh power and abuse or not enough and are ineffective.

WON'T SOMEONE SOLVE THIS PROBELM AND JUST FIGURE OUT THE APPROPIATE LEVEL OF POWER THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB!!!
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If you always expect someone to always solve your problems, you will remain in a perpetual state of mental infancy. You might think that humanity could have figured this out by now.

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This is no joke.

The ACLU of Maryland is defending Anthony Graber, who potentially faces sixteen years in prison if found guilty of violating state wiretap laws because he recorded video of an officer drawing a gun during a traffic stop. In a trend that we've seen across the country, police have become increasingly hostile to bystanders recording their actions. You can read some examples here, here and here.

However, the scale of the Maryland State Police reaction to Anthony Graber's video is unprecedented. Once they learned of the video on YouTube, Graber's parents house was raided, searched, and four of his computers were confiscated. Graber was arrested, booked and jailed. Their actions are a calculated method of intimidation. Another person has since been similarly charged under the same statute.

The wiretap law being used to charge Anthony Graber is intended to protect private communication between two parties. According to David Rocah, the ACLU attorney handling Mr. Graber's case, "To charge Graber with violating the law, you would have to conclude that a police officer on a public road, wearing a badge and a uniform, performing his official duty, pulling someone over, somehow has a right to privacy when it comes to the conversation he has with the motorist."
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#34 rhadamanthus, Jul 27, 2010
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I tend to err on the spirit of the law rather than the word of the law when there is some conflict between the two. However, in this case, neither the spirit nor the word of the law allows for these arrests.

That is ridiculous. These judges that are upholding these convictions are a joke and should be ashamed. Enact a specific law that allows for these arrests if they are needed, but don't twist and falsely interpret existing law to fit your agenda.

#35 Franchise3, Jul 27, 2010
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Lifted from another board, but more or less exactly what I have said on this forum over and over again.

I seriously doubt anybody will get more than a slap on the wrist.

This is a problem pretty much everywhere. When law enforcement does nasty stuff they're rarely punished. If a private citizen pulled a gun on a motorist, then broke into his home, kidnapped him for 26 hours, and stole his computers, there would be serious prison time, but when cops do this there are no real consequences.

I think that it would probably help the majority of decent, competent cops to do their jobs if the bad ones (and their superiors) were fired and punished when they pulled this sort of crap, but whenever anybody calls for bad cops to be held accountable, police unions raise a stink.
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I mean really - I have no choice but to not trust any cop and to generally think all of them fantastically corrupt. To a certain extent, they are all complicit in allowing the worst among them to continue unabated.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoQnuD_ONdw

Bad Religion

hey, sit down and listen and they'll tell you when you're wrong
eradicate but vindicate as "progress" creeps along
puritan work ethic maintains its subconscious edge
as old glory maintains your consciousness

there's a loser in the house and a puppet on a stool
and a crowded way of life and a black reflecting pool
and as the people bend the moral fabric dies
then country can't pretend to ignore its peoples' cries

you are the government
you are jurisprudence
you are the volition
you are jurisdiction
and I make a difference too
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mc mark said:

Don't most police cars have cameras to film traffic stops and such?
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those only work if they bother to turn them on. cops in austin turned theirs off before shooting nathaniel sanders last year...quite convenient, wasnt it?

we have cameras at red lights, cameras in cop cars, cameras on street corners, body scanners at airports...but the cops cant be taped in public?

this country seems more like the soviet union than the america that i grew up in.

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dback816 said:

What do you mean...modern?

Were cops smarter back in the days?
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considering that police (and military) have lowered intelligence standards over the years, yes.

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This is what can happen when you try to film police in Sweden!

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