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Arafat to lead 'all-out war'?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Buck Turgidson, Mar 28, 2002.

  1. Jeff

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    Let me tell you ‘bout Ahab the Arab, the Sheik of the burning sand,
    He had emeralds and rubies just a-dripping off ‘a him and a ring on every finger of his hand.
    He wore a big old turban wrapped around his head, a scimitar by his side
    And every evening about midnight he’d jump on his camel named Clyde.

    And ride silently through the night to the Sultan’s tent
    Where he would secretly meet up with Fatima of the Seven Veils.
    She was the swingin’est number one dancer in the Sultan’s whole harem.
    It was like him and her they had a little Adam going, you see,
    Behind the old bugger’s back.
    And you could hear him talking to his camel
    And as he rode out across the dunes past the oil wells
    His voice would cut through the still night desert air
    And he’d say, “Maaaaaaa oyy oyy oyy !!!”
    Which is Arabic for “Oh, baby ...”
    And Clyde would say, “Yewrah raaaoww uh uh uh uh uh!”

    Well, he brought his camel to a screeching halt at the rear of Fatima’s tent,
    Jumped off Clyde, snuck around the corner and into the tent he went.
    There he saw Fatima laying on a, on a zebra skin rug,
    With rings on her fingers, bells on her toes and a bone in her nose, eeeeyye.

    There she was friends and neighbors, laying there in all her radiant beauty,
    She was eating on a raisin, had a grape, and an apricot, and a pomegranate,
    A bowl of chitterlings, two bananas, three Hershey bars, four burritos,
    Sipping on a frozen margarita, listening to a transistor radio,
    Watching the Grand Ole Opry, reading Rolling Stone magazine and singing Rocky Mountain High.
    And Ahab walked up to her and he said, “Yeeeiiaaaahowowhidehowdihi!”
    Which is Arabic for, “Let’s boogie again like we did last summer, baby.”
    And she said, “Oh, Ahab, ah ha uh, Ahab.” “Crazy, baby.”

    And that’s the story about Ahab the Arab, the sheik of the burning sand,
    He had emeralds and rubies just a-dripping off ‘a him and a ring on every finger of his hand.
    He wore a big old turban wrapped around his head, a scimitar by his side,
    And every evening about midnight he’d jump on his camel named Clyde ...
     
  2. Cohen

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    Thanks Jeff!

    Even after all of these years I never could make out all the words (REM). :)
     
  3. treeman

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    Army prepares for massive action after Netanya Passover massacre kills 20
    By israelinsider staff March 29, 2002

    Channel Two's military correspondent reports that the IDF is contemplating a partial call-up of reserves and positioning armored forces outside Palestinian cities. The death toll in the Passover eve bombing in Netanya stands at 20. Arafat's declared readiness for a ceasefire, under intense Western diplomatic pressure, is being dismissed by senior government officials as a delaying tactic, too little and too late.

    At 11 p.m. Prime Minister Sharon is convening senior ministers and security officials to approve military actions in the wake of the escalating Palestinian terror attacks. Throughout the day armored forces and troops have been deploying throughout the West Bank and Gaza, with dozens of transporters bringing tanks and armored personnel carriers to positions outside Palestinian cities. As in previous actions, the army cut the Gaza Strip into three sectors to prevent enemy movements.

    The Palestinian Authority has evacuated offices and positions in preparation for the expected Israeli action. At 9 p.m. Yasser Arafat made a televised speech in which he expressed readiness for a ceasefire under certain conditions. At the same time, the PA is conducting intensive talks with Arab states to persuade the United States to prevent Israeli military actions.

    Although there has been no official Israeli response to the Arafat speech, correspondents report that senior officials dismissed the speech as purely tactical and "too little, too late." They note that there was not even a clear declaration of an unconditional ceasefire but merely the expression of a readiness to accept a truce under certain conditions. "We're quite fed up with those declarations that Arafat makes every time he feels the pressure is mounting on him," said Ra'anan Gissin, a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

    "Passover Massacre"

    Wednesday evening at 7:15 p.m., a Palestinian, apparently in disguise, detonated an explosive charge concealed under his clothes in the dining hall of Netanya's Park Hotel as the Passover holiday meal was beginning. Army Radio reports that 20 people are dead, with more than 80 still hospitalized, at least 15 in serious or critical condition. Hamas and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, part of Yasser Arafat's Fatah group, claimed credit for the massacre.

    The terrorist walked into the hotel, in the center of the coastal resort town north of Tel Aviv, where hundreds of people, most of them Israelis, and many of them elderly, were preparing to begin their seder meal, in which Jews commemorate the exodus of the Children of Israel from Egypt. He detonated a powerful explosive device in the center of the banquet hall.

    The terrorist was reportedly a member of Hamas from the nearby Arab city of Tulkarm, less than ten miles away in the West Bank. The AP quoted Palestinian sources as reporting that the bomber had been on Israel's wanted list for more than 4 years. Qatar-based television station Al Jazeera reported that Hamas took responsibility for the attack. But Hezbollah's station, Al Manar, reported that the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, linked to PA Chairman Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed credit. In recent months, there have been many joint productions of terror attacks, in which different groups share responsibility.

    Israel's defense minister Benyamin Ben Eliezer convened a security meeting of top military and intelligence officials to discuss options for prevention and retaliation. Since Tuesday, Israel thwarted two planned terror attacks. Israeli security forces stopped a pair of suicide bombers on their way to an attack on a Jerusalem shopping mall. Earlier Wednesday, Israeli security forces discovered a wanted terrorist, traveling in a Red Crescent ambulance with a woman and three children, concealing an explosives belt.

    Although the Palestinian Authority formally condemned the Netanya attack, Palestinian officials have rationalized the "operation" and expressed understanding for its motivations. Jibril Rajoub, the PA security chief for the West Bank, said Israel's "occupation" of Palestinian territory provoked such attacks. He said Israeli "assassinations" of activists, closures of Palestinian towns and other collective punishments only bred "terrorism." He said that "despite the steady policy of the Palestinian Authority, which opposes hitting civilian targets especially inside the Green Line [Israel's 1967 border], the frustrations, suffering and pain imposed by Sharon on the Palestinians pushes some Palestinians to carry out such attacks."

    Hamas officials, including spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, expressed satisfaction and promised additional attacks until all Jews leave "the occupied territories of 1948," which is how the organization, like other Palestinian factions, refers to the State of Israel.

    U.S. President George W. Bush strongly condemned the Netanya attack, and demanded that Arafat do more to stop such attacks. "Today, there was another suicide bomber who murdered innocent Israelis. This callous, this cold-blooded killing, it must stop," Bush said in a speech in Atlanta. "I condemn it in the strongest of terms."

    The BBC reported that Israeli officials are asking the United States to declare that Arafat is responsible for the failure of the recent ceasefire talks, and to recall mediator General Anthony C. Zinni from the region. Security sources quoted by Ha'aretz said that Israel will end the policy of restraint it has undertaken in the past week due to the Zinni efforts. "Israel responded positively to all of the American envoy's proposals," the sources said. "What happened in Netanya is likely to significantly change the picture."

    U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said, however, that Zinni would remain in the region through the Passover holiday, which lasts seven days. He called on Arafat to give a speech on television and radio calling for an end to the violence. He said the terror attacks were destroying the visions and ambitions for a Palestinian state.

    Sharon adviser Ra'anan Gissin, said Wednesday evening that the attack "will require us to re-evaluate our overall policy," Ha'aretz reported. "We are still working to achieve a ceasefire to which we are fully committed, but if the Palestinians have decided to choose the road of terrorism ... then we have to decide what measures we will take," Gissin said.

    Foreign Minister Shimon Peres blamed the Palestinian Authority and Yasser Arafat for the "horrible crime," saying that they had done nothing to stop terror attacks. He called on European officials to pressure Arafat to take preventive action. Foreign Ministry deputy director general Gideon Meir described the attack as a "Passover Massacre" that will not soon be forgotten by the people of Israel.

    There is a widespread expectation of Israel military responses in Palestinian controlled areas. Israeli internal security minister Uzi Landau said "This is not just terror. This is a massacre." He called on the government to "raze the Palestinian Authority infrastructure to its foundations."


    http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/security/articles/sec_0226.htm

    Too little, too late... I think Yassir really screwed the pooch this time.
     
  4. MoonDogg

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    The Eastern world, it is explodin',
    Violence flarin', bullets loadin'.
    You're old enough to kill, but not for votin',
    You don't believe in war -- but what's that gun you're totin'?
    An' even the Jordan river has bodies floatin'.
    But you tell me, over and over and over again, my friend,
    Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

    Don't you understand what I'm tryin' to say,
    An' can't you feel the fears I'm feelin' today?
    If the button is pushed, there's no runnin' away,
    There'll be no one to save, will the world in a grave.
    Take a look around you, boy, it's bound to scare you, boy.
    An' you tell me, over and over and over again, my friend,
    Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

    Yeak, my blood's so mad feels like coagulatin',
    I'm sittin' here just contemplatin'.
    I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation,
    Handful of senators don't pass legislation,
    An' marches alone can't bring integration
    When human respect is disintegratin',
    This whole crazy world is just too frustratin'.
    An' you tell me, over and over and over again, my friend,
    Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

    Think of all the hate there is in Red China,
    Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama.
    Ah, you may leave here for four days in space,
    But when you return it's the same ol' place,
    The poundin' of the drums, the pride an' disgrace.
    You can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace.
    Hate your next-door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace,
    An' tell me, over and over and over again, my friend,
    You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction,
    No, no, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.
     
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    Whilst we are in the mood...

    Conquistador of Mexico, the Zulu and the Navaho
    The Belgians in the Congo short memory
    Plantation in Virginia, the Raj in British India
    The deadline in South Africa short memory
    The story of El Salvador, the silence of Hiroshima
    Destruction of Cambodia short memory

    Short memory, must have a, short memory

    The sight of hotels by the Nile, the designated Hilton style
    With running water specially bought short memory
    A smallish man Afghanistan, a watch dog in a nervous land
    They're only there to lend a hand short memory
    Wake up in sweat at dead of night
    And in the tents new rifles hey short memory

    If you read the history books you'll see the same things happen again and again
    Repeat repeat short memory they've all got it
    When are we going to play it again
    Got a short, got a short, got a short, got a short
    They've got a short must have a short they've got a short aah
    Short memory, they've got a.
     
  6. Almu

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    Looks like Nostradamus might be right after all.
     
  7. MadMax

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    why?? what did he have to say about this??
     
  8. MoonDogg

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    Dunno, but I think he also predicted Rams over the Patriots by 14......
     
  9. DanL

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    the Middle East might be on fire...but Israel isn't in a war.
    I live in Israel and where I live (Haifa ,3rd biggest city in Israel) you can barely feel the terror or the war that going on in the territories.
    I don't think that my personal safety is that much lower that you people that lives in the states...and I know it might sound funny.
    also in the last year criminal activity decreased (well ,there are so many police officers and military guards out there on the streets ,in the malls and public places).
    so please ,don't think that a big war is going on ,terror attacks us almost everyday ,but we kinda "learned" to live with that.
    I still go to the Univeristy every day ,where we try not to talk about politics and talks only about the Rockets....
    I wish they would show all the good stuff in Israel (the beaches ,the girls ! ,the food) rahter then the blood and the fighting.

    peace

    Dan Lederman
     
  10. boy

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    Now we have an Israeli officer – according to the Israeli daily Ma'ariv – advising his men to study the tactics adopted by the Nazis in the Second World War. "If our job is to seize a densely packed refugee camp or take over the Nablus casbah, and if this job is given to an (Israeli) officer to carry out without casualties on both sides, he must before all else analyse and bring together the lessons of past battles, even – shocking though this might appear – to analyse how the German army operated in the Warsaw ghetto."
    here

    You want to sugarcoat that?
     
  11. Wakko67

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    All media is biased.
     
  12. Isabel

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    <b>My ass, war sucks, you idiot!
    Ah damit Judgement day here we come...</b>

    sigh. afraid I'll have to agree. I do not like this very much. But, while we're posting lyrics:


    I can't believe the news today
    I can't close my eyes and make it go away
    How long, how long must we sing this song?
    How long?

    Tonight we can be as one, tonight
    Broken bottles under children's feet
    Bodies strewn across a dead end street
    But I won't heed the battle call
    It puts my back up, puts my back up against the wall

    Sunday, bloody Sunday
    Sunday, bloody Sunday

    And the battle's just begun,
    There's many lost, but tell me who has won?
    Trenches dug within our hearts,
    And mothers, children, brothers, sisters torn apart

    Sunday, bloody Sunday
    Sunday, bloody Sunday

    How long, how long must we sing this song?
    How long?
    Tonight we can be as one
    Tonight, tonight

    Sunday, bloody Sunday
    Sunday, bloody Sunday

    Wipe the tears from your eyes
    Wipe your tears away
    Wipe your blood shot eyes

    Sunday, bloody Sunday
    Sunday, bloody Sunday

    And it's true we are immune
    When fact is fiction and T.V. reality
    And today the millions cry
    We eat and drink while tomorrow they die
    The real battle just begun
    To claim the victory Jesus won
    On a Sunday bloody Sunday

    Sunday Bloody Sunday
     
  13. treeman

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    So what? Guess what, dumbass - virtually every single army in existence today uses tactics poineered by Nazi strategists. Why? Because they work.

    And frankly, I am just about out of sympathy for the Palestinians. They were warned - repeatedly - that something like this would happen if they didn't stop the suicide attacks. I don't have any sympathy for anyone who either carries out or supports such terrorist acts (you included, as you support it). Your buddies f*ed up, and now they're going to pay the price. Too bad, so sad, I couldn't care less anymore.

    And BTW, have you ever once quoted an article from any source other than the Guardian or the Independent? You know, those aren't exactly unbiased publications (or respectable, for that matter)... But it doesn't surprise me. It's all your twisted brain can handle.
     
  14. Jeff

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    Ok, I'll bite on this one.

    treeman: Sure, military strategists have used lots of different groups' ideas but isn't it just a tad ironic that Jewish people are using the tactics of their former oppressors when they are clearly in the position of power this time around?

    I'm not arguing whether it is right or wrong because it is really not much of an argument considering how screwed up the fighting between both of them has been. I just see the getsure as ironic PARTICULARLY given the fact that, last time I checked, the Nazi's lost.

    :)
     
  15. boy

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    Tree thanks for admitting the Israelis are Nazis who hate Palestinians. Guess what? Once you starve a nation and kill its kids...it really doesn't fear much. Regardless of whats moral or whats not, the reality is Palestinians don't give a **** what the Israelis do anymore. That's why you see high school girls blowing themselves up. Until you drain the swamp you won't see any results. The swamp isn't rhetoric from extremist but Israelis using Nazi methods on millions of civilians. You can't conquer the will of a people. But don't kill people praying on Friday at Masjid ul Aqsa and wonder why they want to get rid of you. That naivete is dangerous.

    It's nice to know your memory sucks. I have quoted from Ha'aretz (an Israeli newspaper) and also your favorite GOP propaganda machine, Fox. And by the way Independent's journalist whom you hate, Robert Fisk, is incidentally England's most decorated journalist. He only recieved the British International Journalist of the Year award seven times.
     
  16. Ubiquitin

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    :( Even though I think Treeman is a helluva poster (one of my favorite). I'm going to have to disagree with him and support the Palestine cause. (No I don't hate Jews/Israelites)
     
  17. treeman

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    Jeff:

    It may be a tad ironic, but it is no more ironic than the fact that we use German tactics as well. For example, the Germans perfected the concept of Blitzkreig - in that they finally figured out how to use combined arms tactics to break trench warfare stalemates. We (and everyone else) learned how to do that from them. Erwin Rommel's famous work on infantry tactics is also standard operating procedure in every modern military in the world today.

    The Nazis lost because they were so heavily outnumbered that it was truly amazing that they held out as long as they did. It had nothing to do with their tactics, which were brilliant; it had more to do with Hitler's idiotic strategy than anything else.

    It may seem ironic, but it really is not. It's just common sense to use whatever works in wartime.

    boy:

    Every time you call the Israelis Nazis, you expose how little your understanding of them is. I didn't "admit" that they were Nazis either (didn't even hint at it), so I'm not sure whose post you were reading when you dreamed that one up...

    Ahh... There's that total inability to take responsibility for one's own actions again. Yeah, the Palestinians aren't at all to blame for the sorry situation they're in right now, are they?

    You're probably right about one thing, though: they don't care about what happens to them anymore. Two decades of brainwashing you to believe that it is your duty to die killing Jews will do that to you. They want to become martyrs, well, I suspect that the Israelis will oblige them.

    Oh, you are certainly right about that. And that is exactly what the Israelis are going to do now: drain the swamp. Since the Palestinians wouldn't do it themselves, they leave Israel with little choice...

    Yeah, and don't kill people celebrating passover at a hotel dinner and expect them to just leave you alone. I have always thought that the suicide bombings were *extremely* counterproductive, even from a military standpoint. I have always suspected that it would backfire. It just did.

    And BTW, you're railing that the Israelis are using Nazi tactics and claiming that that makes them Nazis; by that logic, every nation in the world with a modern army is a Nazi state - even all of the Arab states. Nice logic there.

    And lets talk about tactics. The Palestinians are using Al Qaeda tactics. How productive do you really expect that to be? And using your own logic, that makes them Al Qaeda. So should we go after Palestinians too, since they're logically Al Qaeda? Your logic sucks.

    Yes, you did quote from Ha'aretz once, I remember. Don't remember the FOX one, but I'll take your word that you quoted one once... (GOP propaganda machine? Why do you say that? Because it is not as far left as CNN?)

    Your articles are overwhelmingly from the Independent and the Guardian. There is no debating that, and you shouldn't try as it can be verified. And there is no denying that both of those publications have a definite anti-Israel slant. In fact, pretty much all European media have an anti-Israel slant...

    Fisk is, BTW, undoubtedly anti-Israeli. Didn't HayesStreet post a nice article about just that subject? I'm sure I could dig it up if you'd like... He's not exactly an unbiased source, you know.
     

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