Careful...Mullah Cruise and Sheik Omar Travolta might go Hubbard-jihad on ya! So where have you been hiding, Chancemeister???
YOu were beating on the ACLU for always taking the side against christians (the ACLU, btw, has a large number of jews in its membership and particularly its legal staffing). Of course the ACLU is generally against christian religious fanatics in establishment clause cases - they're the ones trying to insert themselves where they don't belong, How is this not relevant? I thought it was the whole point of the stand that you and www.blessedcause.org are taking here? Or are you implying that there is a sinister coalition of mullahs covertly trying to take over public schools (this is blessedcause.org's line) I feel that the ACLU is if anything one of the most principled and remarkably consistent organizations out there in public life toda- they regularly protect the first amendment rights of people (Neo nazis, klansman) who aren't exactly their political allies. That's what they told the judge, and it was rejected - years ago. Are you honestly implying there is a sinster campaign of involuntary covert muslim indoctrination in public schools that the tinfoil hat wearing folks from blessedcause.org are saying here? Come on hayes you are smarter than that I see it, it's right there and follows the blessedcause.org in the URL: "http://www.blessedcause.org/Antichrist%20ID/aclu%20and%20islam.htm" I think the point is that a bunch of material from paranoid apocalyptic fundamentalist christian bigots about an imaginary campaign of islamic indoctrination in public schools isn't really that credible on a factual or analytical basis, and I think you know this.
Muslim's being mocked and provoked?! What is in common with the Middle East conflicts, Kashmir, Eritrea-Ethiopia? Every conflict outside of Ireland deals with Muslim aggression. Please don't blame this on past oppression, look at what India and China are doing with their huge human workforce. Let's pour some money into infrastructure and education instead of waging an unwinnable war against the world. That is what is so sad to me, tons of innocent muslims dealing with hell because their extremists and leaders are so conservative and stubborn in their beliefs. Using the Quran as an excuse, PATHETIC.
At least a disproportionately high amount of conflicts. Why doesn't Mr. "thacabbage", who keeps lecturing us here what idiots we are answer his own questions for once? He and a few others keep referring to some "oppression" and "neocolionalism". What about the Bali bombings? Are Muslims oppressed in Bali? I agree with DaDakota. The world has to question the root causes within Islam as it is practiced today. Meanwhile, thacabbage can keep blaming the "evil West" for everything.
The problem with this analogy is that defending your own life has a payoff: you get to live. Islamic extremism and the Muslim leaders who do nothing to stop it doesn't. Is this really a war against America or is this a war against modernity? Can the Quran co-exist with globalization? I don't know. Either way, this doesn't achieve anything for Muslims across the globe, and the fact that so many people believe violence is the only way to change things, like some kind of an imaginary revolution, is startling.
And the longer the inaction of the Muslim moderates goes on, the more desensitized the rest of the world gets to the Muslim faith. Which, in itself is a dangerous proposition. DD
What inaction are you referring to? Moderate muslims, have written books, articles, delivered lectures, worked on committees, all aimed at fighting against that kind of extremism. Moderate muslims played a hand in thwarting the recent plans for attacks in London, they went to the authorities about some of the suspects in the London Subway bombings before the bombings even happened. It is too bad that more people aren't listening more to the moderates. It is conceivable that if more had been done when the moderate Muslims went to the authorities, the subway bombings might have been stopped. Is there more that can be done? No doubt. But at the same time, they can speak out about it, but other non-Muslims don't seem to be listening too much. Then when another attack gets publicity we hear once again about the moderates not doing anything about it.
Writing books, lectures, and all that is fine...but it's to the WEST!!! They are trying to educate US WHEN THEY NEED TO EDUCATE OTHER MUSLIMS!!!! Moderates are telling us..."Oh no, we're not violent...that's not Islam" when they need to be telling that to MUSLIMS. Get the point?
Best post of the day !!! WELL DONE !!! And to be more precise they need to be writing them and speaking out IN THE MIDDLE EASTERN countries. DD
Actually it is to both. The audience is definitely not exclusively to the west. Though it is funny despite targeting much of the talk to the west you still hear westerners saying that moderates aren't doing anything.
Well, hopefully it will get to the general public who are being brainwashed in some of the theocracies over there. DD
which is exactly what happened with regards to the London bomb plot that was recently thwarted. Some of the info that stopped that attack did indeed come from moderate muslims. The subway bombing in London had suspects that were reported by moderate Muslims prior to the bombing even happening. They were reported by other Muslims to the authorities. The authorities didn't make the arrests, but that wasn't the fault of moderate Muslims. They can't get any closer to arresting the bums than what those moderates did. Again the problem isn't always with moderates speaking out, it is with other people listening.
Which is where we are losing ground, we should have the largest RADIO tower in the middle east broadcasting Radio free Muslims !! DD
That's because moderates aren't really doing anything. When's the last time you saw a anti-terrorist / extremist march in a middleeast country? When's the last time you saw a march in a middle eastern country for world peace, the environment, human rights, or one that didn't involve a death to someone chant. Can ya say....NEVER!
I agree. But the sad thing is that the intolerance of the Muslim fascists goes so far that speaking the truth like that will put the lives of the moderates in danger.
