Apr 28 - NEW POLL: Clinton does better vs. McCain than Obama

Have you considered that maybe it isn't just Clinton but that Obama isn't the political messiah that many have thought him to be and actually has some severe flaws?

Hillary Clinton has run a tough and negative campaign but if Obama can't handle a tough negative campaign against a fellow Democrat he is toast against the Republicans.

 

Scar, I believe your observations are somewhat skewed. Have you never voted for a candidate who later saddened you with his or her performance?

I voted for Jimmy Carter and that was enough to move me into the Republican Party. I voted for GWB but he has failed to live up to my moderate Republican principles -- for example, spending like a drunken sailor rather than running a tight economic ship.

Regardless of whether you believe me when I say I will, my point is there are literally millions of disaffected voters who are looking toward a JFK-style visionary who can unite rather than divide this country. McCain is not a bad choice after Obama, but IMO Hillary will fracture the nation in a disastrous horror on a nearly unimaginable scale.

 

Same diff. It wouldn't make sense to vote against Hillary because of Wright. You've still changed who you support because of a silly, overblown nonissue.

 

How many ways can I explain to you? The Idiot Wright is simply what he is -- an idiot. To me, his railings are inconsequential. What is important is how Obama is perceived in his handling of the Wright issue. Obama looks weak and vacillating.

This poor handling of the situation is giving the Democratic nomination to Hillary. If that happens, I will go back to the Republican Party.

I hope I am not being too harsh on you. Have you graduated from junior high school yet?

 

Ok, so I misunderstood. Or rather, you typed a bunch of incoherent mush, which I interpreted in a way that was entirely consistent with what you wrote (and, amazingly, with your subsequent response). You then proceeded to insult my intelligence, which I'm confident compares favorably to your own.

That last bit was rude, but I'm leaving it in.

 

I can't quantify your reading comprehension skills in comparison with your intelligence quotient, but then beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder, eh, my "pail" Narcissus.

 

You're right. Obama is politically naive and that's what is hurting him. Hillary knows how to play this game. How to pretend she represents people and manipulate the truth to look good. She's totally disingenious (and I know a lot about how to do this) and she gets away with it.

She's the biggest elitist there is. She knows her gas holiday is a bunch of fumes and every analyst says it's meaningless. Obama tried the whole suspension of gas tax and saw what a massive failure it was. Hillary spins her web of half-truths and pretensions and it works - she's an experience politician. Obama is naive and just says what he thinks to be true.

He's naive in that he believes that this is the best way to work with people, to be real and honest. That's what peopel love about him.

What he is proving is that an honest man or woman can't be president. You have to be nasty and know how to play this game. Hillary plays it well.

That's his flaw.

Frankly, I'll take the honest approach and real solution over the "pansy" tactics of hilary that just are cosmetic and without any real substance, but are good for getting her votes.

 

I don't disagree with you but lets face it the stakes are going to be who is going to be president of the most powerful nation on earth at a time of crisis. I totally agree Hillary is a cast iron b**** but if Obama can't find the grit to wage a tough campaign then I have some serious doubts about what kind of president he will be.

 

I can't deny that Obama's troubles don't bode well for him as a president. I thought he recovered from his silliness regarding his bomb pakistan remarks last year. But it's clear he's too open and honest for his own good and not calculated enough. He needs more years of experience.

But I can't vote for Hilary. I'd rather go for McCain. I think McCain will be a moderate and more frank and generate greater trust at a time we need that versus a divisive personality like Hillary.

 

I respect John McCain the person a heck of lot more than Hillary. Compared to other national politicians, I think both Obama and McCain are as strait up direct, honest and relatively independent (less-partisan) thinkers as you get.

That said, I think much of McCain's domestic and foreign policies would continue the disasterous, shortsighted, current admin. Make no effort to correct the looming American medical care fiscal and effectiveness disaster. Further gut education and science spending (basically the only domestic spending or governmental role McCain sees worthwhile is the military). Perhaps even more troublesome, McCain would continue the militaristic and interventionist foreign policies of the current adm--both further sinking us in debt that does nothing for our own national infrastructure and creating more enemies in the process. I think McCain would appoint much better persons than GWB has, but that would be the main difference.

In Obama I have a guy who is much better in policy and non-partisanness than most--so he is strongly my choice. But in the end if I were choosing between the more stand up McCain vs the the less stand up Clinton, I am sorry I go with Clinton, easy. The policies and directions make a whole lot more importance than their personal attributes.

But you could be right, maybe there are a lot more persons out there like yourself that place character, authenticity and strait forwardness (for a politician that is) above their positions and underlying political philosophies.


And FINALLY, to all, I think we are being a bit melodrammatic. Yes Obama has had a bad 6-8 weeks. He had a spectacular month or two before that. This fall McCain looked dead in the water. In eaarly Feb or so it looked like Hillary would cruise. Then Obama looked to cruise (before Wright and the bitterness comment). We haven't even got into the Conventions, let alone general election debates. Nothing is over and nothing is certain, but Obama has far from sunk his hopes for a general election Dem loss and Hillary has far from split the Dem party. Patience and perspective folks, this has been a grueling race, nobody is perfect, and we got like 6 months to go.

 

I don't see how it's a non-issue. Obama doesn't have much of a record to run on, so he's running on promises and character. Until the Wright issue, regardless of what you thought of his promises, you probably generally thought highly of his character. During his handling of the Reverend Wright issue, we have seen lies to save face, then drastic changes of his public comments over a two week period. He also seems to believe that he shouldn't be subject to any questioning about it. The issue has put huge marks on his character, which is the center of his campaign.

 

The GOP is already targetting Obama in districts where the collateral damage could affect the Democratic congressional nominee.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9933.html

 

Yep... Obama is going to rip apart the democratic party. It's already happening. He is getting slaughtered in the polls with independents, and Indiana and North Carolina are breaking against him HARD. His lies and deceit regarding Jeremiah Wright will sink his ship. His incredibly stupid defense of Wright being 'taken out of context' during his TRANSCENDING SPEECH ON RACE was just blown to bits by Wright's presser. Oh, it sucks to be caught lying, doesn't it? This is Barack's Howard Dean moment. We knew it was 'a comin'!

YEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH

 

Seems he is splitting himself from all race with Sharpton killing him in the press.