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Apple's WWDC 2010 (new iPhone)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by ItsMyFault, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. Al Calavicci

    Al Calavicci Contributing Member

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    You're comparing apples to cabbage.

    Adoption doesn't matter for crap when it comes to the phone market. VHS users would've had to change their library of expensive (at the time) tapes to move onto a new system. Plus most people keep their media players for a few years.

    People replace their phones a lot more often and considering their accessories will probably not even work with newer models there isn't much reason to stay with Apple if something better comes along. Even the app store, one of the great things about the iPhone, is no longer unique when compared to the android market. All the big apps are released across multiple platforms, if slightly different.

    And while I'm just one person, I dumped my iPhone because AT&T was so bad here in Houston. If they went to Verizon I'd think about getting it again, but as long as they're sticking with that crap service I'll stick with my android. (Which I might argue I like better because I never have to mess with the piece of **** that they call iTunes)
     
  2. A_3PO

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    No I'm not making that particular assumption because I know it isn't true. You must factor in (1) Android's incredible progress in such a short period of time, (2) that Android's momentum shows no sign of slowing down & (3) it is backed by Google. You are incorrect in assuming that Apple's first-mover advantage and big lead will last forever. If Android phones surpass iPhones in usability & features and Apple continues their exclusionary practices, Android will end up #1 in a few years.
     
  3. Sajan

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    agreed. i had the iphone since last year and ATT has been dreadful. so these last four days i been in fort lauderdale (florida) and i have got mostly full bars everywhere!. always stays on 3G.

    speed test: 1879 kbps down / 291 up (i tested it multiple times and download has been between 1100-1800 consistently.

    in houston i got: 348 kbps down / 154 up!!!!!!!!!
     
  4. ItsMyFault

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    It's funny because wherever I live and go in Houston... I get high 3G speeds.... even found an area with that 7.2 mb 3G+.. at a clip of almost 3 mb down. But in SA... I could hardly get 600 kb in most areas. It's so inconsistent, and that's what is so frustrating about AT&T.
     
  5. BetterThanI

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    Great. But none of these factors impact the every-day user on the street. To them, Google is nothing but a search engine. Most people who own a iPhone couldn't care less about the screen resolution or the speed of the processor. They care about two things: accessories and apps. And right now, nobody is coming close to Apple in either of these two areas.

    Now, the key phrase is "right now". Android's momentum shows no signs of slowing...right now. Apple rules right now because you can walk into any WalMart, Target, Walgreens, etc. and have a choice of cases, screen covers, docks, backup batteries, and what-have-you. Plus, as you checkout, there are handy little gift cards to load your friend's iPhone with music. Unless Android can become a greater industry standard in retail outlets (not just BestBuy), their market share acquisition will plateau. And the product line will fall behind.

    Disagree. Again, the iPod has proven this. People don't care so much about exclusionary practices, and the Android hasn't surpassed the iPhone in usability (features, perhaps. But not usability.). The accessories and apps are key, and Android is way behind and not really catching up in these areas.

    The biggest problem I see with Android vs. iPhone is simplicity of product line. There are a whole bunch of phones running the Android OS. Plus a bunch more on the way. Is Android a phone or software? Which phone has the best features? Which phone has the most accessories? Which carrier offers which phone? For the average user it's too confusing, because most people in the world are idiots. With Apple, it's one choice: iPhone. Maybe you get two flavors (small hard drive or large hard drive), but it's the same device either way. One choice, one device. It's simple.
     
  6. Tfj4

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    This comes from someone who says "With Apple, it's one choice: iPhone. Maybe you get two flavors (small hard drive or large hard drive)". Obviously you aren't very well informed considering the iPhone doesn't use a hard drive, all the data is stored on NAND flash memory apposed to SD/ROM. Go ask people at the Sprint store how they like there iPhone, because most of them are switching and picking up the EVO 4G.
     
  7. Tuan

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    Why do people make such a big deal out of how many apps Apple have for the iphone?

    Its great that there are tons of apps but the apps are very similar with a few handful being more recommended than others. Personally, all of the apps I would use on iphone on a daily basis can be found on the android or blackberry platform.
     
  8. BetterThanI

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    Geez, split hairs much? Fine, you get two flavors (small memory or large memory). Does that make you happy? :rolleyes:

    Why do people take it so personally that others choose iPhone? You want an EVO 4G, great. Go get one. But to say that iPhone is going to founder just because there might be a better product is, at best, premature, and at worst, utterly ridiculous. It takes more than a quality product to dominate market share. Apple learned that lesson with Microsoft.

    Just take marketing, for example. Anroid is failing here, big time. Watch an ad for the iPhone. It's happy, cheerful. Bright and colorful. Now watch an ad for Droid. It's dark, ominous. Robotic and vaguely threatening. It works for technophiles. It doesn't work for the everyday person.

    Look, I'm not saying you're an idiot if you don't buy an iPhone, or that you're an idiot if you do (though I do believe the iPhone is more appealing to the idiot population). What I am saying is that it will take more than a great product to dethrone iPhone, and right now, I don't think anybody it poised to do it.
     
  9. ItsMyFault

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    The sales numbers are off the charts for the iPhone. No SINGLE phone is going to beat the iPhone. If you want to compare all the android phones together vs. the iPhone, then Android has a chance... but that's stupid. If you're going to give android a wheelchair, you might as well just give up. The amount of revenue and hype that has built to the iPhone is something no phone to this point has been able to match. Furthermore, I just don't believe a phone coming from HTC will be able to match it, ever. Eventually... there will be a phone though, but I don't see it to be in the next few years. Android itself... I'm not sure. I can tell you that the majority of iPhone users (from a poll) are happy with their iPhone. And when I've encountered people complaining about the iPhone, it's almost always due to the fact that AT&T sucks. If Apple expands to Verizon, Sprint, or T-Mobile... or even a bigger market internationally, I can't see the Android-base passing up Apple.
     
  10. ItsMyFault

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    Did you also know that half of those Android Market apps are stolen ideas from Apple App Store?
     
  11. Sajan

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    i am back in houston and right now i got 751/177 kbps.

    but its not consistent. 2 out of 5 bars at my house. :eek:
     
  12. Dr of Dunk

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    Stolen ideas how? I'm not understanding.
     
  13. Tuan

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    I couldnt disagree more. There are a few HTC phones currently out now that have already surpassed the iPhone hardware wise. The Nexus One, HTC Incredible, and the EVO are much better phones. These phones are faster, just as responsive, and have a much better screen. Of course, all this will change when the iPhone 4G is unveiled tomorrow, but even then, I believe all these phones will just be on an even field spec wise.

    The iPhone OS's is undeniably better than Android's OS, but that gap is closing very quickly and isnt as big as many people think.

    The difference in all these smartphones available now is small. The stigma that the iPhone is far superior to whatever else available is mainly due to Apple's superior marketing, and I have to give them credit for that.
     
  14. Tuan

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    That might be true but it doesnt change the point I am trying to make. Whatever smartphone you decide to go with, you will have all the apps you need at your disposal.
     
  15. ItsMyFault

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    Did I say anything about specs? I was talking about SALES. No HTC phone alone can match the iPhone in sales. At least none that's come out so far.
     
  16. ItsMyFault

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    You see original apps like Lightsaber on the App Store, it doesn't take long for it to get on the Android Market. It's pretty much taken from the App Store.
     
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    I'm getting my feet wet today in the world of smart phones. I'm about to head to Sprint to get the all everything data package.

    What phone will I get, you ask?

    Why, the HTC Hero.

    Don't judge me.


    I've never had the internet on a phone before, and I think this phone has a great mixture of decent price, decent OS, good function, and good learning curve. It should make for a nice first smart phone.
     
  18. tinman

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    I just got one too. HTC Hero from Sprint. been good so far. plus the plan and phone were really cheap.

    lots of cool things you can do with the android os.
     
  19. Deuce

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    Will the iTouch be updated the same time as the iPhone? I am in the market for a new iPod these days to buy before a trip in late August.
     
  20. Rocket River

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    or stolen from the Wii . . or Microsoft games. .. or parker brothers. . or hasbro . . .

    Rocket River
     

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