The missing front camera is what holding me from getting an iphone. If iphone 2009 comes with a front camera, i sure hell get one for myself... then again i m in SE Asian region... don't know when will it available!
This may have been posted earlier, but does anyone have a rough estimate when the iphone will be released? Sorry guys, I havent been able to read the whole thread, but this is very informative.
sounds reasonable, except for the fact that sling player works over the cell network for every other phone platform it's available on- Palm, Blackberry, Windows Mobile, Symbian phones (sony ericsson & nokia phones).
Yeah... but, the iPhone has way more customers... lol.. it's the best selling phone of all-time... if they would allow that to happen, of course their network would go down... I mean you already got all the smart phones that you listed up there... except the biggest one, which in itself may be bigger than a couple of those up there combined (in terms of users TODAY on AT&T). What I'm trying to say is... the network could probably handle it, though everything would slow down on their network (they do have the second largest company in terms of consumers, I think?)... OR AT&T just wants to take advantage of people's money... which would mean that they would come out with the capped data plans (which have been rumoring for a while now) and then allow it... idk.. That's my take on it. I can't say it's not strong enough, because people download and browse the web on their phone all day... that's probably why they are trying to cap it.
10 AM PST tomorrow... 12 PM CST our time.. WWDC will start.. will post info as it comes in this thread... Thanks!
Pretty excited, but I don't think it's going to be anything radical. Apple is probably just going to refine the current iPhone and add one or two new features. Hope I'm wrong though.
i want to buy an iphone, but i dont want to be that loser standing in line for it though. im a free agent on the cell market, but i'll let att retain my rights for two more years.
I understand all of that. I just think it's bogus to treat iPhone customers differently than other smartphone customers using the same network. Do you think an individual iPhone slingbox user is going to consume much more bandwidth than a Blackberry slingbox user? I doubt it. 3 million iphone slingbox users is pretty much the same as 1.5 million blackberry users + 500,000 palm users + 1 million nokia users. If anything, they should be using the huge dollars they're getting from iPhone subscribers to upgrade the network so that it can handle this. I'm surprised there are rumors of the higher speed network being supported on the new iPhone (encouraging even more bandwidth consumption), given the fact that they're crippling multi-platform apps specifically on the iPhone to save bandwidth on the slower network. I don't think it would be unreasonable to have a large cap and charge for usage above that. As long as they charge everyone for it. If they're really concerned about slingbox, and say it uses SOOO much more bandwidth, cap it at 5 gigs a month or something, where the only way anybody would use it up would be by using slingbox. Essentially a "sling tax". Charge every data plan user for it the same way. of course, it's business, so no way they do that- it would be fair to all the customers. they can get away with just giving iPhone users the shaft in this way because not enough people complain. Which is funny, because they're the largest single userbase now- so if every iPhone user complained about it, it would probably be the best way to actually get something done. Or they could just have a "normal unlimited data plan" and a "sling unlimited data plan" and require users using sling over the network to sign up for the sling one. They'd probably make more money from this anyway because I bet a significant portion of people would sign up for the sling plan, then play around with it for a few days then forget about it and end up using similar amounts of data to the rest of the users, but would just stay signed up for the sling plan out of laziness/forgetfulness. Similar to the way companies offer rebates knowing that not everyone will actually go through the work of filling them out and sending them in.
Alright... well this argument was really about AT&T's network and it being able to handle video calling... well from all the rumors over the last 4-5 days... since we were arguing about that... it looks as though there will be video calling. The original argument was that there wouldn't be any because their networks couldn't handle it, example.. sling player... I can agree with most of the stuff you said about it above though.. I think they'll have those capped plans, at least sometimes in the near future, and I can bet they'll have a separate plan for video calling as they do right now for the other AT&T phones.
It will be interesting to see how this works out. They've done a good job of keeping things simple, in the "apple style", with the rate plans. Something has to give, but I'd be surprised to see a big proliferation of different plan options and levels. It just doesn't seem to mesh with the apple philosophies of the past- and they made a huge deal out of the simplicity of the rate plans on AT&T when the iPhone came out. Video calling seems so unnecessary to me (of course, so does slingbox, but video calling even more so for me). I wouldn't mind if the rumored front video camera were just for video iChat to be used over wifi. Does anybody need video calling when they're driving in their car or walking down the street? I'd much rather be able to sneak a peek at a rockets game when I'm out via slingbox than walk down the street holding up my phone at arms length so I can have a video call with someone while I blindly walk into a crosswalk and get mowed down by a bus. And if you're annoyed by people talking on the phone loudly in public places, just picture having to navigate around these same dumbasses blindly stumbling around, holding their arms out straight, yelling into their video phones. Video phone zombies. I guess I view both as novelty items, but slingbox as a more useful one. As far as rate plans go, they could also charge from within the apps rather than changing the rate plans, as they did announce that the 3.0 iPhone software would support charging from within apps. Charge per min of slingbox use or video calling from directly within the app. that would keep the rate plans simple but still allow them to target charges to those customers who use them.
I wouldn't mind video calling over wifi. I'm sure 3g could be done, but I'm not confident of the quality or how badly it would hit the battery (not that wifi wouldn't). Overall video calling right now would be nice but hardly something at the top of my list.
They're apparently going to revamp the entire iPhone line. Should be interesting to see if the looks will be radically different. I doubt I'll upgrade unless there's some functionality they add that I find really useful.
Rats... apparently the new laptop they're going to introduce won't be a tablet. I wonder if it's going to be a netbook as people were predicting.
