[APBRMetrics Board] Scary +/- stat regarding our guards

If Yao didn't get injured, it could happen.

 

Let me break it down for you since stats seem to be a weak point for you.

This is a compilation of 5 years of data.

Brooks

Year One: Rookie, barely played at all
Year Two: Started 1/3 the season with Yao
Year Three: Played the entire year with no big man whatsoever
Year Four: Barely played

30 of ~110 games with a defensive big

Rafer

05-08 - Started all games with Shane and Yao, most Hayes, some Scola
08/09 - Started half alongside Yao, other half alongside Howard
09/10 - Barely played

296 of 348 games with a defensive big

So to say Rafer played with "similar bigs" is utterly r****ded.

WHAT, you mean when we played LA (1st in offense), GS (18th in offense), (11th), NO (13th), and SA (3rd.) - 5 team average (9.2)

we gave up more points than when we played:

Minny (29th), Washington (25), Indiana (27), New York (7), Chicago (19), etc - 11 team average (15.3)

THE HELL YOU SAY!!!!

All my points are valid to people who are objective.

 

Actually, they don't. They're net negatives.

Look at the sum in the last column.




durvasa, do you think the backcourt defense can become respectable without a trade?

 

I don't know where you get those numbers. Look at NBA.com, sort by offense,We played against #1,#24,#8,#6 offensive team when AB played entire game, that's an average of 9.7. We played against #7,23,8,2,13,7,9,4,17,10,19 offensive team without AB, that's an average of 10.8. Not nearly the difference in your post.

And I threw away the SA game, when AB only played half of the game, giving up 34 in 1st quarter, 57 at half time. It's in AB's favor.


All your points are invalid if you understand the meaning of this stat and look more into how we lost the games.


You broke down the number by ignoring the most important number: what does -3 adjusted defensive points tell you? It tells you on average when AB steps on the court, Rockets lost 3 more points per 100 possessions, when AB is replaced by another PG on the same team, Rockets doesn't lose that 3 points on defensive end. AB has played stating PG and played off the bench, overall he has been a defensive liability for many years.

 

Interesting stats, wonder what AB apologists gonna say?

 

Plenty already. I can't believe a guy who defends AB's defense call himself objective. It is like defending Yao's athleticism and Shaq's FT shooting.

 

this is the most sobering thing i have read on clutchfans in months. holy hell i did not realize it was THAT bad. who cares whether or not this metric is exactly right, our two starting players are DEAD LAST. durvasa, thanks for finding this but damn you for ruining my night.

 

Like we needed advanced metrics to tell us Brooks and Martin are poor defenders.


They're as lost as a juggalo at a Richard Dawkins lecture.

 

agreed moes, but did you REALLY think they were the worst two in the league (allegedly)?

 

Then thats sad. Looks like if AB and Kmart are on the court at the same time we need at least 2 more Shane Battier level defenders playing with them to compensate what they give up.

Oh boy we are in for a long season.

 

Can't believe that nobody has stressed yet how high Battier is on that list. Higher than Paul Pierce.

Seriously, the guy is undervalued by people here - far undervalued. His performance against Durant yesterday was stellar. People do not understand just how good a defender he is. Yes, he might be sub-par offensively, but overall, his defense more than makes up for it.

Kobe was honest when he said Battier is his best defender in the league.

 

Yeah, having a big man protecting the rim doesn't help guards defensive stats at all.

LOL..wtf ever.

Durv, why not post where the rest of the team reside?

DD

 

Well, yeah....catch-all stats don't factor things like that in.

BUT...

being dead last is pretty big deal. They aren't the only guards playing without a great defensive center. There are quite a few players with better defensive APM numbers who are in the same situation.

It's in the link (sorted by offense, defense, and sum).

 

I think Kmart is a pretty good indicator of where he is, but in regards to AB, he has played a majority of his games with Chuck Hayes as his starting big, well him and Luis...

Neither of those guys is going to help much on D, and with the new rules in place, perimeter players are not allowed to touch or grab or hold the opponent all while their opponents are allowed to carry the ball.

I am not surprised they are at the bottom, but I would bet they would rise up with a healthy Yao or with Hill in the starting lineup.

This is a case where stats tell the story, but not the whole story...which is usually the case.

DD

 

THis is a case where a somewhat slow loudmouth didn't read the source material.

This is adjusted plus minus, do you know what adjusted plus minus means? It means it adjusts for a players teammates.

Even so, a quick glance at the stats (which are done over a 5 year period featuring hundreds of games with "a healthy yao") shows how ludicrous some of your propositions are - Chuck Hayes has among the very highest defensive +/- ratings in the entire league - if anything playing lots of time with him boosts your defensive +/- stats rather than hurts them, the adjustment analysis tries to take this bias away.

 

Kyle Lowry has a positive impact on the team, Brooks has a negative impact.

We already knew this

 

+/- is useless.

 

Wow, your hatred of AB has taken you to another level.

Get over yourself.

 

Kareem Jackson plays better defense than Brooks and Martin