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[AP] US vetoes UN resolution on Israeli settlements

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, Feb 20, 2011.

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  1. Commodore

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    the Middle East is on fire and the UN is busy condemning the building of condos, unbelievable

    And the resolution was brought by Lebanon, a country that lobs rockets indiscriminately into Israel and wants to wipe it out!
     
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  2. JuanValdez

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    It'd be funny if it weren't so sad. What I think is more ridiculous is how powerless the electorate seems to be to do anything about it. If a politician ran for president campaigning on severing ties with Israel, I'd probably vote for him, even if it was Sarah Palin. But, no such politician exists. Why do I have to be complicit in this stuff?
     
    #22 JuanValdez, Feb 22, 2011
  3. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    The difference is that, with time, the support is becoming more and more ludicrous.

    Whereas there were some legitimate reasons for the support in the past, they have slowly morphed into semi-legitimate, and now we're getting into absurd territory.

    I think this is an important one because of what it means in context of wikileaks and uprising in the Middle East.

    Basically what I'm saying is that this is the most absurdly irrational show of support for Israel in recent memory, and it will IMO turn the situation into a more violent one, and for me this will be a key reason why that happens.
     
    #23 Mathloom, Feb 22, 2011
  4. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    How about you make us a video called "3 things you need to know about Lebanon" and post it for us?

    No need to verify the information of course, that would be crazy.
     
    #24 Mathloom, Feb 22, 2011
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  5. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    We don't. Civil disobedience. Painful, but an option.
     
    #25 B-Bob, Feb 22, 2011
  6. Deji McGever

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    I think the calls to BDS will be louder than ever, and rightfully so.
     
    #26 Deji McGever, Feb 23, 2011
  7. rhadamanthus

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    Sure, we can draw a line between "ludicrous" and "more ludicrous". I'm not sure what it accomplishes or changes though.
     
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  8. Mathloom

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    It accomplishes awareness. The US has to be isolated for these decisions now to the point where the losses from pursuing this cause exceeds the benefits. It's become clear that you can't take what the US says at face value anymore (even considering average face value in politics). What you can count on, 9.9 times out of 10, is that the US will do whatever serves its interests in terms of remaining a superpower. Creating cracks between the US and its allies is a positive step in that direction. It's only when those cracks begin to materialize that the US will think about changing its policy.

    Many people believe that it's religiously motivated but that's just idiotic. It's purely a power game. Therefore a threat to that power is the only path worth pursuing.

    The US losing legitimacy among its peers is something worth highlighting IMO.

    The only other reason would be creating internal pressure. It's worth highlighting because american people will begin to re-think who they elect to lead the country. That's also another possible positive outcome.

    I think it accomplishes just as much as any other topic on the board accomplishes, and for a much better cause.
     
    #28 Mathloom, Feb 23, 2011
  9. rhadamanthus

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    I understand your point. Now, for me, this is hardly new or insightful. For many others however, you have a very good point/statement.

    Unfortunately for you, very few in the USA care enough to listen to what you're saying. Heck, the media either glosses over the votes or actively seeks to support them. I mean, the "ludicrousness" you highlight just is not in the purview of the average voter.

    In that vein, much of what I have been saying in this thread is still completely valid. It sucks.
     
    #29 rhadamanthus, Feb 23, 2011
  10. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    In the unlikely event that Saudi Arabia becomes unstable this Friday, I fear the worst for Israel's security, which in turn makes me fear the worst for the region as a whole. Even worse would be a Palestinian revolt.

    Whether it's next month or next century, at some point the Israeli government is going to resemble the Libyan and former Egyptian governments in the eyes of Palestinians.
     
    #30 Mathloom, Mar 9, 2011
  11. glynch

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    A boycott of Israel will end the Apartheid and the two people can live in peace or those the Jews who don't like equality of religion for all can move to NYC or perhaps SW Houston where they can peacefully practice their religion and be safe-- just can't keep the rest of us from having equal rights.

    Even Netanyahu a fanatic is getting down.

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    'Downcast' Benjamin Netahyahu under increased pressure over Israel's poor image

    NAZARETH // Benjamin Netanyahu's advisers have conceded that the Israeli prime minister is more downcast than they have ever seen him. The reason, they say, is Israel's faltering diplomatic and strategic standing.

    Mr Netanyahu's concern was evident at a recent cabinet meeting, when he was reported to have angrily pounded the table.

    "We are in a very difficult international arena," he was quoted by the Haaretz newspaper as telling ministers who wanted to step up settlement building. "I suggest we all be cautious."

    A global survey for the BBC published on Monday will have only reinforced that assessment: Israel has one of the worst public images of any country, with just 21 per cent seeing it in a positive light.

    http://www.thenational.ae/news/worl...er-increased-pressure-over-israels-poor-image
     
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  12. glynch

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    I think you are overly pessimistic on this one. Young Jews in the US are starting to be ashamed of what Israel does and are starting to not be slavishly loyal to the right in Israel. Americans are starting to see the obvious detriment to the US caused by dissing a billion Muslims just to support Israel. Slaughtering defenseless Gazans or Lebanese did not play that well in the latest Israeli aggressions.

    It is doubtful that Israel will be able to put down the next peaceful rebellion by the Palestinians in the West Bank ,which will be inspired by the democracy movement in the Arab world. israel will be a tougher bloodier nut to crack than Mubarak's Egypt, continually terrorized as they are by Holocaust fears cynically replayed by their leaders , but it will happen. The world will see the similarity to the democracy movements elsewhere in the Middle East and it will cut through the Israeli narrative.
     
    #32 glynch, Mar 9, 2011
  13. ChievousFTFace

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    While young Jews in the US aren't happy/proud of how the Israeli government has handled certain situations, they will always stand by Israel. You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
    #33 ChievousFTFace, Mar 9, 2011
  14. HorryForThree

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    I dont necessarily think that's true. I'm sure the majority do, but I'd venture to guess that the number of Jew's dissatisfied with Israel is probably more than you think.

    Roger Cohen had an interesting article on this topic entitled, The 'Real Jew' Debate, which was published in the New York Times.

    Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/opinion/10iht-edcohen.html

     
    #34 HorryForThree, Mar 9, 2011
  15. JuanValdez

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    And have partisans accuse me of being an anti-semite and a terrorist-sympathizer.

    Not only painful but probably ineffectual.
     
    #35 JuanValdez, Mar 9, 2011
  16. Mathloom

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    I've actually heard that many American Jews refuse to vacation in Israel now. While I'm sure it's a small group of people, these kinds of ideas were unheard of in the recent past. I've also seen lots of articles by American Jews condemning Israeli foreign policy, and conversely Israeli conservatives responding with anger.

    For the life of me I can't remember what it was called but there is a documentary which nicely covers the rapid deterioration of common identity between American Jews and Israeli Jews.
     
    #36 Mathloom, Mar 10, 2011
  17. thadeus

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    Seriously ... **** Israel.
     
    #37 thadeus, Mar 10, 2011
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  18. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    lol chill dude. No need to dislike the entire country. They're good people, they just need a revolution to get rid of the rich morons at the top.
     
    #38 Mathloom, Mar 10, 2011
  19. Honey Bear

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    "We"? Aren't you an angry Pakistani masquerading as a flustered US citizen in an attempt to create hostility with brother Israel?

    I mean if you have a problem with Israel, just say it Hamed. No need to play these silly games like a high school girl.
     
    #39 Honey Bear, Mar 10, 2011
  20. Honey Bear

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    He's selling all kinds of arms and technology to the Arabs in an attempt to stimulate the economy and strengthen diplomatic relations. That's what gives the US the confidence to veto resolutions like this.

    How is the US contradicting their policies?

    And check your tone, Jose. I ain't ever seen a Mexican in a suit, let alone one callin a black man names.
     
    #40 Honey Bear, Mar 10, 2011
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