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[AP]Carter: "Bush worst president ever."

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ottomaton, May 19, 2007.

  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    SExy is in the eye of the beholder.

    Bush is also a Texan.

    I guess there were some other reasons people voted for him. I never could figure it out.
     
  2. jo mama

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    NO HE IS NOT!!!

    i hate when people say that.

    you can not be a texan if you were not born, raised or even educated here.
     
  3. Deckard

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    Excellent post. Carter makes a far better ex-President, than President, but Bush is so god-awful he manages to make Carter appear better in comparison.



    D&D. Replicant City.
     
  4. Sishir Chang

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    Carter was almost too honest to be President. Its like JVG badmouthing his players. Yes, he's right and they probably deserve it but there are better ways of handling things. I think what a lot of people forget is that Carter came to office not as a flaming liberal but as a moderate even conservative Democrat. He also came in as an outsider with little power base in Washington and didn't get much help from Congressional Democrats. He had a bad presidency and while he could've done a lot of things differently IMO he was more a victim of bad circumstances. Carter had little control over the energy crisis and stagflation but he did try a bold move on the hostages. Unfortunately the execution was poor.

    GW Bush OTOH has benefitted politically from very good circumstances. He was presented with two major crisis, 9/11 and Katrina, that could make a Presidency yet has muffled both of those. I wonder if GW Bush didn't have 9/11 how his presidency might've been. I don't think it would be great but it might not have been the mess its turned out to be.

    I'm somewhat surprised by invective of Carter's criticism and I think this might be Carter being more honest than is good for him. I don't totally disagree with him but this comes off as political hack job rather than the statesman that Carter has become.
     
  5. glynch

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    The following is my understanding of the two generally accepted flaws of Carter:

    • Apparently Carter was an incredible micromanager who had to know absolutely every detail and direct everybody in everything they were doing. If you google 'Jimmy Carter micromanager' you will find a few anticdotes, like the fact that President Carter personally controlled scheduling for the White House Tennis Courts, etc.

    • Also, Warren Christopher, who was a deputy of Secretary of State under Carter apparently was very forceful later in advising Clinton not to send Jimmy Carter to North Korea to deal. Christopher's experience led him to believe that Carter was a loose cannon who would not follow the game plan. Apparently he would often improvise on the fly from what 'the team' had planned.

    I think it is safe to describe both of these are procedural concerns, rather than the ideological nuttiness of the current administration. As I see it, Carter was an ineffective president, but Bush is a bad one. He as been very effective in implimenting his plan whose effects screw up the country.
     
  8. Xenon

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    Is this an admission that Bush is indeed a horrible president? What will your friends and coworkers think?
     
  9. adoo

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    Both are inept.
    • GWB is way over his head. he hires people who are more inept than him (Michael Brown, Gonzo)
    • Carter is too much of an intellectual; he can't delegate, he tried to solved every problem by himself, tried to be the expert on every issue---ending up with nothing solved.
    why not. GWB deserves it.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    Sadly this kind of thing says that the two presidents were roughly equally as bad. As I have stated before There is a huge gulf between how bad Carter is, and the distance down to where Bush is.
     
  11. weslinder

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    Carter was at least as bad domestically as Bush is in foreign policy. And Carter's foreign policy certainly can't be pointed to as a positive.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    Bush in foreign policy has ruined our reputation for years if not decades. Bush has gotten people needlessly killed, made our country less safe, hurt ties with allies, and made the U.S. untrustworthy. He's weakened our military.

    Carter did do damage to the economy, but nothing as bad, and nothing that would take as long to correct, and it didn't kill or get people killed needlessly.

    It wasn't even close.
     
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    You make Sam Houston cry.
     
  14. Sishir Chang

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    I think its an interesting hypothetical about what the Bush 43 Admin. would've been like without 9/11. The biggest issues facing the country at the time of 9/11 were Gary Condit and stem cells and up to that point GW Bush's biggest accomplishments were the tax cuts and the stem cell policy while the other major event of Bush's pre-9/11 term was the Spyplane situation with the PRC. Its hard to see Bush getting much more accomplished than those in the first half of his term since after that Jim Jeffords had joined the Democrats and Tom Daschle was able to start blocking legislative achievements. On other fronts Rumsfeld was reforming the military but facing a lot of resistance to it, Ashcroft was cracking down on smut, and EPA relaxing environmental regulations. Nothing in particular indicated that the Bush 43 Admin would've been anything more than mediocre.
     
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    I cannot believe you would say this FB. This is Bush's biggest failure. The massive islamic "jihad" that OBL wanted to demolish the american ground forces in Afganistan never happened (surprise) and the US army was still thwarted at Tora Bora by beurocrats. We could have killed that guy, and Bush let the travesty happen.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    I say 'initial' meaning, that he didn't rush to judgement, gathered ally support, and then went in. He could have flown off the handle and jumped in right away. I think he handled pre-Afghanistan pretty well. He also worked hard to work with the Northern alliance and locals there to help us in our efforts.

    What happened after we got there was where things started going downhill. I wouldn't include that on a list of his accomplishments.
     
  17. rhadamanthus

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    Duly noted. Thanks.
     
  18. mc mark

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    Hum....

    Is the White House going to call Nancy Reagan irrelevant? --

     
  19. jo mama

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    did you secure "reproduction rights" as the cartoon requires?

    wouldnt want to be caught plagiarizing again, would you basso?
     
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