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[AP] Anthrax scientist commits suicide as FBI closes in

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  1. rhadamanthus

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    FBI's case keeps crumbling...

     
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  2. DaDakota

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    No way, Timothy McVeigh and the Unibomber were white too, there are wack jobs in every race or religion.

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  3. Surfguy

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    Nobody could believe Aldrich Ames was in the CIA directing Soviet counterintelligence operations and, at the same time, actually spying for them. Dr. Heines doesn't believe he could have been duped. That doesn't exactly make the case for proving the guy's innocence. It didn't help that the guy killed himself when they were about to close in.
     
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    and who talks about them?

    I *REALLY* hope this is not a case of the FBI just trying to close a case.
    If this guy didn't do it. . . then the real person is still out there.

    Making us FEEL safe and making us safe are TWO SEPERATE THINGS!!

    Rocket River
     
  5. ScriboErgoSum

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    It also doesn't help the case for his guilt considering the FBI's behavior with Hatfill for the same case and Pearl in the Atlanta bombing. The Atlantic had a detailed article about how the FBI focused on the wrong guy (Hatfill) for over a year and did everything they could to ruin his life. He considered suicide and mainly didn't kill himself because he felt the public would have believed him guilty.

    I think the FBI was under enormous pressure to solve this case. They probably got the correct guy, but I would not at all be surprised to find out they had cooked the evidence to manufacture guilt. It sounds like Ivins was a lot more emotionally fragile. He might have killed himself to dodge conviction and incarceration. He also might have done it because he couldn't handle the FBI's pressure.
     
  6. rhadamanthus

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    Understatement.

    Not sure about the former claim (lack of direct evidence, motive, and large sections fo the timeline don't make sense); the latter is definitely believable.

    Pretty accurate, from what I've read. Conveniantly, the suicide gave the FBI rationale to "close the case" even though their arguments were falling apart simultaneously.
     
  7. ScriboErgoSum

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    You're quite correct. I shouldn't have used the word "probably." The case certainly doesn't seem as ironclad as it did a few months ago, and if the facts were presented to me now, I would have to say there's reasonable doubt on Ivins' guilt. Originally the scientific evidence seemed overwhelming, and the circumstancial evidence seemed damning. However circumstancial evidence is certainly not conclusive. There was a mountain of circumstancial evidence against Hatfill too. I'm not an expert on manufacturing anthrax or biological weapons, so I kind of trusted the scientific analysis on the case that was being published at the time. Having Ivins' co-workers doubting that he could manufacture the anthrax is a huge red-flag. The timeline falling apart is really egregious too.

    If the FBI screwed up again, they will circle the wagons like nothing else to cover that up.
     
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    National Academy Concludes FBI Overstated the Strength of Genetic Analysis as a Link Connecting Ivins and the Anthrax Letters

     

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