AOC gets what she wants: [NYT] Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Headquarters

Are you saying that brown people can’t have the “tech” jobs? That immigrants can’t have “tech” jobs?

 

I’m sure Amazon pays taxes and I am sure other businesses receive subsidies (ie deductions).

Getting Amazon to commit could have attracted many other businesses.

 

Didn't know you were such a champion for a corrupt version of market socialism. Are you a "socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor" fellow?

 

I'm trying to understand your point here. I would think that having those other kinds of jobs available would be a good thing for people currently out of work or perhaps working a worse or less stable job.

The article mentioned the residents of the Project being insured access (whatever that means -- and yes, I get it could be good sounding words that don't mean those residents get the jobs), but I think having all of those non-tech jobs also created would be a good thing for the actual residents of long Island who might actually need employment.

(I mentioned in an earlier post that I began to think my view might have been hasty because the really good tech jobs would probably go to folks not already living in Long Island). These jobs you mention -- and the lower level tech jobs discussed in the articles -- seem like a really good thing for an unemployed or underemployed person.

What am I missing? Thanks.

 

I am really trying to figure out if the ability of desirable businesses to extract incentives from the Government as part of a bargain would be considered a facet of capitalism or not.

 

Well that's why I said corrupt version of socialism because despite "incentives" ( I call it welfare) there is no government ownership. Depending on which side you're on, I guess you could call it a Utopian version of capitalism, where you get public welfare without conceding public ownership. Regardless, it's gross and anti-American. But both parties are about as anti-american as you can get for different reasons right now so I'm not surprised. I'm surprised the proud conservatives follow partisan talking points over conservative ideals. Have some respect for yourself you know.

 

Taxes and tax breaks are not socialism. State control is socialism.

 

Progressive liberal values.

 

That's why I called it a corrupt version genius. Very sad you've lost your economic conservative values just so you can position your partisan self against opposition. Ideals are worthless without execution.

 

Never have I been an “economic conservative”.

 

For that comrade, I apologize. I though you were a conservative or at leaned conservative.

 

With all due respect, that's an outrageously stupid statement. Generalize much?

 

If you are low-income and live in NYC your challenge is not finding a job, it's affording everything else. That's what people here fail to understand. That an increase in rent is a bigger threat to your security than more minimum wage jobs are a boon. Most people in NYC who work minimum wage jobs travel more than an hour to get to work because they can't afford to live any closer. So Amazon HQ will lessen the commute of those who live in other parts of queens and no longer have to travel to another burrough for work, but not in mass. However, those 25K new tenants will living the rent across the board not just in that area but other areas and accelerate more people being squeezed out.

Right now NYC is at capacity - the housing market is super high and the infrastructure is peaked. There isn't a lack of jobs (I am sure once the next recession its it may be a different story). And the irony is that most of these low level jobs get worked by immigrants (many illegal)

 

If there were less people competing for rent and those jobs, wages would be higher and rent would be lower. Get rid of those illegal workers and you'll solve part of the problem. Make it illegal to rent to them and hire them, and you'll see part of the solution get fixed.

Also people who can't afford NYC, should move if they can't earn a living there. No one is entitled to live in NYC because it is simply a cool city.

 

If you got rid of the illegals the Irish pubs would all close down!

Seriously though, you would put the squeeze on small business if you got rid of the illegals and let the chain business take over. You'd also cause mass inflation. Rents would increase and wages would decline. You don't understand economics very well.

Wages wouldn't be higher because there are plenty of other jobs at $15/hr - no one is going to swap out working a cashier to wash dirty dishes all day. Are you nuts? Illegals do the work no one wants to do.

Furthermore you would cause inflation as prices would rise. Rents would not change because illegals live on the fringes and pay nothing in rent. They aren't competing for rent - the poor don't compete with one another for rent, they compete with the rich.

 

so how can you afford to move?

And why should you have to move when you probably have multiple generations in the neighborhood.

just because Amazon wants to move in?

 

AOC is the best thing that happened to Trump.
He can just repeat this to the masses that don't follow issues closely and say that they don't want jobs and it will work

She has good ideas and causes, but this was the wrong one