I'm a rockets fan and a fan of all sports in general and teams like the kings, etc. and I'm ashamed of the conduct of various posters in this thread who I will choose to remain nameless for obvious reasons. I agree with Nugzfan(who through IM conversations is a cool guy and not deserving of the treatment from some of the posters in this thread) on Rice, why would a team with their cap room want his contract stuck on their roster. I think you have to do a lot better than a potential stud in the #5 pick to get mcdyess with Glen involved. It's one thing to post a bad trade proposal, it's another to not even be willing to accept its flaws and to try and shove it down the other party's throat. To all those flaming Nugzfan in this thread, you need to seriously look at your actions in this thread and try and find out how in the world you can live with yourselves. That was some of the most childish behavior I've ever seen in my life. Nugzfan, The only thing I disagree with is the Rockets being referred to as a 28 win team. I don't like to use injuries as a crutch, but if we are healthy, we likely are a playoff team. I admit having Mcdyess healthy all year for you guys would improve your record too, but I'm not as sold you guys would've been a playoff team. It was possible though. No offense meant.
So are you saying that McDyess could more on the trade market than the 1st pick in the draft? I just don't see it. I like McDyess but not that much. Personally I don't wan't him myself. We already have to many injury issues on this team with out having to go thru the year worring about McDyess's knee. Now if we were able to make that trade with Chi straight up for the for the number 1 then I would be all over that. Best case scenario is still for us to win the lottery. Then we could just draft Ming. It is so nice to dream.
Being completely bored at work, I labored through this entire thread. Ive got your back on this one Nugzfan. This is truly a bad deal for Denver. Hey look at it this way, at least you got your post count up today!!
Two years. Which makes him a very valuable pawn next offseason. That is why GM's would want him. In this scenario, you get Rice for one year and then trade in the last year of his contract. The Nuggets could foreseeably use their cap room next year or get at the very least a serviceable big man in KT, a legitimate star(trade for Rice) and two very good draft choices. Sounds good to me. The 4th, 5th, and 15th pick(if things remain the same) and a veteran(Rice) would be an upgrade.
JESUS Nugzfan, you've been around this board. You know the Rockets. You know we're not "1 game better" than you. You guys are plain horrible. Rice destroying cap space? If anything, Rice holds onto that space for a year or two, till you're one piece away and need that space. For Rice's next 2 years, you guys won't sniff the playoffs. We aren't Champions anymore. But next year, when at midseason, we're in the playoffs, and you're at the bottom of the league, THEN what is McDyess going to say? It's a known fact, players love Houston. They love Rudy T. Duncan took a glance at us. Webber wanted to come here. We're entering a new arena in 2003. The Nuggets cdan't rebuild in time to convince him to stay. He doesn't want to be 30 when his team STARTS entering the playoffs. He wants to do much better than that. Right now, he's the only starter you have. You can sit and say we're in our "Houston world" but if we say anything about you being in your Denver world, we just don't like your ideas and are bitter right? It's not a good trade at the moment. But when McDyess tells you where he wants to go, which team, then you'll have 2 options: 1) Take whatever the team gives you in useful spare parts. 2) Let McDyess walk. What will you do, trade him to a team he doesn't want to play for? Despite all of this, I don't want McDyess. I'm fine with our MoT/Griff combo, as long as we get either a better SF or Ming. McDyess we don't need. Watch Griffin become at least just as good.
I'm tired of everyone coming to these boards and acting like Nugzfan is a saint and that all of the posters who argued with him should be ashamed of themselves. As childish as this sounds it was Nugzfan who came here and started commenting on how idiotic this trade proposal was and calling it homer bull$hit among other things. Looking on the RealGM board I see that he does this a lot and enjoys the arguments. Which I think is just fine and that is what these boards are for. I've always respected and enjoyed reading Nugzfan's posts on this board, but I disagree with what he thinks the Nuggets can get for McDyess. I guess we will find out sometime next year who is right and who is wrong.
Check out many post regarding possible trades and you will see Mr. Negativity "trying to shove his views" on others.
Honestly, I don't see what at the commotion is about. If I were the Rockets, I would never do this deal. First, McDyess is just coming off a serious knee injury. NBA history shows that the majority of players are never the same after a knee injury. I do not see why the Rockets would trade a pick that may turn out to be a franchise player for an injured player, the odds of which are will never again be better than an average NBA player. Second, why would the Rockets want to trade for a player that showed no heart this year in coming back from his injury, and mailed it in even though he could have played the last month of the season?
Ouch. The truth's a mofo aint it? Edit: That DOES make the point that the Nuggets would never do something so ridiculous. We are basically suck with the player and the contract, unfortunately.
Silly me, I thought our main motivation for taking Rice was to get rid of a 6-year $42 million guy who wasn't even going to be the 1st guard off the bench. When you look at Rice and his contract relative to that 6-year contract the deal doesn't look too bad. If only I looked at everything inside of a vacuum the world would be so much more black and white. I have no problem with those that disagree with NF, I have disagreed with him plenty myself. But the amount of personal attacks to discredit him, nauseating cheap shots about his team (sure the Rocket franchise is in a better place, so what? What the heck does that have to do with the discussion of a bad trade. You want to say we’re better, “nany nany bo bo”, I guess go ahead), group pilling on, etc., was shameless.
Read the very first post of this thread... NugzFan's opinion was asked, and he made it known. You might have had a point had he not been asked by GATER for an opinion...
Save our reputation as we obviously had a deal with Shandon to get him to take half here what he could have gotten from the Jazz.
NugzFan - Here's a list of Summer 2003 Unrestricted Free Agents. You have so much cap room you're not going to be able to decide who to surround McDyess with: CELTICS --- Kenny Anderson --- Walter McCarty HEAT --- Zo NETS --- Lucious Harris MAGIC --- Darrell Armstrong --- Jud Buechler --- Patrick Ewing --- Pat Garrity --- Don Reid SIXERS --- Derrick Coleman WIZARDS --- Tyronne Lue --- MJ HORNETS --- Elden Campbell --- PJ Brown --- Matt Bullard BULLS --- Fred Hoiberg CAVS --- Tyrone Hill --- Bryant Stith PISTONS --- Clifford Robinson --- Jon Barry PACERS --- Reggie Miller --- Jermaine O'Neal --- Brad Miller RAPTORS --- Tracy Murray MAVS --- Danny Manning --- Adrian Griffin ROCKETS --- Terence Morris GRIZZLIES --- Nick Anderson --- Tony Massenburg TWolves --- Chauncey Billups SPURS --- David Robinson --- Steve Smith --- Antonio Daniels --- Mark Bryant --- Danny Ferry JAZZ --- Karl Malone --- John Stockton WARRIORS --- Chris Mills CLIPPERS --- Sean Rooks --- Earl Boykins SUNS --- Randy Brown BLAZERS --- Scottie Pippen --- Dale Davis --- Steve Kerr KINGS --- Brent Price SONICS --- Gary Payton --- Shammond Williams THERE YOU HAVE IT...EVERY OTHER PLAYER IS EITHER A TEAM OPTION (YOU HAVE NO CHANCE), A QUALIFYING OFFER (125% OF THE PLAYERS PREVIOUS SALARY.... OR A PLAYER OPTION. GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY AND TELL ME THE NUGGETS WILL SIGN GUGLIATTA, DUNCAN, RON MERCER, BIMBO COLES, ALAN HENDERSON, THEO RATLIFFE, AND/OR JASON KIDD. HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR SHOPPING SPREE.
if you are talking about anderson, he was a free agent. we did not sign him to the deal until we traded him. if we would have let him walk we woudn't have had to deal with rice right now.
Wow. I see a monster thread. If seems like every 2 months McDyess is brought up. My thoughts are still the same-why? McDyess is a fine player, great even. 20-10-3, Rocket killer. But to me, we have Eddie Griffin. He can be every bit as good as McDyess, maybe better. But neither have the size/skills to play long spans of anything other than 4. Two other reasons could be Mo Taylor, ~25, who can average 15-6, maybe more, and is signed for 5 more years, or Kenny Thomas, who has averaged 14-7, and is signed for about 1 million for next year. McDyess doesn't instantly make us a contender. A playoff team, probably, but not in the Lakers/Kings class. His cost (to be able to match salary, it'd demand Rice involved) would probably be something like Rice/Griffin/#6/#15. I wouldn't make that trade. The Nuggets could probably get better offers. There was that interesting comparison value wise to Rahim before, and I'd say Dice has more value than SAR. McDyess will not come cheap. If you're looking for a 20-10 guy on a losing team, you may want to try and figure how to get Jamison instead, he'll come a lot cheaper.
