this is what i love. you put words into my mouth so you can make fun of me, cuz what i actually say, you cant say **** about...why? cuz im right - the deal wont happen. did i say that baout duncan and kidd? no. but if we sign one max guy (not even either of them) and maybe one smaller FA, add 4 first round picks, we have a good team by 2003. its simple. but yet too complicated for your mind. stop b!tching and making up ****. the deal sucks. live with it. if you want to talk trades, make up a FAIR one and not a houston rockets fantasy deal. ****, how bout we just send you howard and arroryo for griff and your pick? lets talk about that
The Rockets are not and have never been in the "same position" as the low-life nuggets. Let's see, when was the last time you made a playoff appearance??? How many championships do you guys have? I think the only thing decent to come out of the nuggets organization is Mutombo......but oh, wait....did your crappy management let him go for....uh..nothing? I take it as an insult to ever be put in the same boat as the lowly nuggets. The fact is, our injuries killed our season before it even started, which is why we are in the lottory in the first place. Even after tanking the second half of the season, you guys are still ahead of us in the lotto....that's funny. What's denver's excuse??? How many times have you been in the lottery and come up with an impact player....Dice is the only guy on your squad that can fit that bill, and he wants to leave. Speaking of leaving, which other players in recent memory have killed themselves trying to get out of THAT organization? I can think of a few. nuggets' talent isn't half of what the Rockets have to build upon. Francis / Mobley / Griffin VS lenard / posey / mcloud...or ousmanne cisse and omar cook even.....NO COMPARISON!!!
NugzFan - You have totally missed a major plus to this trade proposal. You already have the 4th pick. You add the 5th and 14th. You don't think 4-5-15 gets you a shot at Ming? And you already have Bateer on your roster so the Chinese would love it. I don't have a strong opinion of you one way or another, but I'll bet many Rockets fans would gladly take on Howards huge contract for a shot at Ming. You seem very short-sighted regarding this proposal. Regarding McDyess leaving - have you ever heard the expression about a "bird in hand"?
no you guys used to be champs. now, you guys are one game better than us. nothing more. what you did 3 years ago or before that, dont mean ****...especially in todays nba or when mcdyess is looking for a winning team. hell the nuggets used to be awesome. like he cares. again, you guys are fooling yourselves. you will say or think ANYTHING to fulfill your fantasy land trade ideas. pathetic. no reality on this board today. to further prove your ignorance and homerism...in your comparison you chose vo/poz/cloud to compare vs your big 3. quite amazingly pathetic. fits this thread nicely. and to FURTHER PROVE IT, you asked what our excuse was? amazing. you are a moron. i mean your not only proud of a tanking franchise (dice loves those), but you asked what happened to denver. in a thread about mcdyess. amazing. you lose. go away. dont post anymore. you should lose all privaledges.
err i wasnt serious. i, unlike many on this board, can differentiate between a fair trade and a garbage one.
no i didnt miss it. but if thats what we want, why cant we just trade dice to another team with a top pick and avoid the crappy rice contract? ill admit having 2 top picks is cool but not at the expense of rice! explain how im short sighted. ive explained more than once how bad this deal is, why we shouldnt do it, why it wont happen, etc. it sucks yet no one accepts it. does anyone here believe in fair trades or only ones that totally rule for houston?
Nugzfan...while the proposal may not light your fire (or even the Nugz for that matter), you have to admit that, given the recent history or nuggets dealings (the Dallas deal in particular), it isn't so far fetched that the Nuggets would pull the trigger if they were offered the 5, the 14 and Rice (only 1 year left) for Dice (who they are losing whether you think so or not)
Nugz point is: Make it a 3-way deal where he gets Ming, and he'll consider it. I can think of one, Chi takes KT, Rice, the #4 and #5 Hou take McDyess Den gets Chicago's #1 (if they get it), Fizer and Jamal Crawford Chicago has the capspace to absorb that (especially if they renounce their exceptions) Denver gets Ming and Crawford/Fizer for McDyess and a #4, and goes down in cap even further Hou gets McDyess Point is: I can think of a lot more better trades for McDyess.
if anything the dallas trade furthers my point and goes against yours. the dallas trade had us screwed with nve, not so with dice. it gaves us a TON of cap room...this trade causes us to lose it, while losing dice. we need dice to at least use the cap space most effectively. so you propose we dump dice for rice and lose alot of cap room? no im sorry but thats stupid. ok maybe not stupid from houston rockets fantasy land, but here in reality...it kinda blows. change rice to ending contracts. you guys complain every day about rice. in fact i think someone has a countdown in their tagline about when rices contract is done. and you are trying to DUMP HIS ASS on us? for dnever no less? you guys should be pleased to get friggin donnell harvey for rice. when the homerism on this board dies down a bit, we might be able to work something out. right now its rediculous.
well there ya go. another logical rocket fan. the rest of you are fools. you think nba gms hear a trade and go yes or no and thats it? they hear TONS of ideas from many teams...then they come back with different ideas. if houston and denver started talking about a dice trade, a ton of ideas would come up involving other teams and many players. there is no way we 'settle' on rice. ever. yall just gotta get out of this rockets mindset for one second.
Even if this trade WAS possible, i wouldn't do it now. That would give us possibly 2 players coming off major injuries that we would be relying heavily on for next season...it just doesn't make sense to me.
Who in their right mind would take Rice and his contract? Even the Nuggets aren't that stupid. They are close though.
Hypothetically, of course, why would Chicago do it? Just curious. We're all throwing things out there and your idea is pretty doable, but doesn't Krause want Ming or Williams so they finally get back in the spotlight?
The sooner you realize that Dice will not play for the Nuggets any longer than he is contractually obligated to, the better off you'll be. Kiki can shoot...he cannot GM. If you do not see how 2 more picks (potentially the 5 and 14), in addition to the one you already have, helps you considerably in the future, then you need to wake up and smell last place. Rice's contract expires after 1 more year (its a small price to pay) No free agent in their right mond will play for Denver. It is a mickey mouse organization that has never come close to winning anything.
Because no other team has 2 1st rounders this high and that's what it will take to make a serious bid for Ming. IMHO, you are short-sighted because: 1) You never mentioned Ming until I brought it up. 2) Have made assumptions about McDyess when it is more likely he will go than stay. Your rebuilding is just beginning and you would have trouble convincing me he will stay. 3) If you were unable to make the playoffs with McDyess and La Frentz and Van Exel, why would you be any closer with McDyess and #4 and #26? I do not consider myself a "homer". I do consider myself a very reasonable person and for you to totally dismiss this proposal as "a terrible idea" and say that "the trade blows and you know it" (those are exact quotes) is a sign of short-sightedness to me. You never even offered a counter proposal or even something as weak as "we can do better by dealing for...". OK, I'm done and I'm starting to form an opinion.
This thread has become embarassing! Another reason to hate the off-season, an explosion of stupid A$$, illogical, homer-induced trade proposals on the CC.Net BBS where the Rocks get every other team's best player for Rice, KT, Cato, MoT, or Moochie. And maybe a draft pick thrown in for grins! EMBARASSING!! Reminder: The Nuggets went to such great lengths to create cap space to aid in their rebuilding efforts that they traded 2, count 'em 2, of their best players to a Division Rival! The last thing they want is a past-his-prime Rice with a big contract. If Dice makes noise about wanting to leave, Denver would probably just take a draft pick or 2 before they add a big contract.
