Ok you obviously have no idea what your talking about. I didn't name my user name TracyMacAddidas because of Tmac. I named it like that because the T-mac 2's (which were adidas) was the first basketball shoes I ever owned. Get you facts straight. Second I haven't said anything since the beginning of the page because debating with this dude is like debating with Anti Sonic.
Anti Sonic must be really good at listing facts because that what I was doing. Really, If you really think you are right about Tracy being better than Tim Duncan, go make a thread and a poll and see how many people will agree with you. Not even your group of Tracy fans will agree with you there. Either you are one of the most irrational fans out there or you are a complete goof, either way you are not worth my time if you truly think Tracy is better than Tim Duncan that season.
LOL you've probably joined like 3 days ago. It just shows how closed you are, you completely ignore what people say list some facts and think your hot **** because to you it seems like you owned him. Listen people, I never said Tracy was better than Duncan. Never ever. Your making **** up. I said McGrady had the best individual season out of Nowitzki, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Dwade and Nash. I said that and it's like I would've killed you cat. You completely denying the fact that only 4 players that were on his team are still PLAYING on a team and 0 start! (assuming Washington plays Foye at the 2 and not Miller) Yet you say Tim Duncan cast was equal. I do not understand how that is logical.
This was your resposne.... That is backtracking. You specifically said Tracy was better than all those players that season. So I don't know how I am making anything up when I got a direct quote right there from you. This is getting tiring and no Tracy didn't have a better individual season than any of them.
Kobe easily beat TMac in that season. He got 30/6/7 with Shaq taking away shots. TMac would never have that kind of stats with Shaq in the same team, he couldn't even do it with YM on his side.
What LeBron james did in the 07 and then 08 playoffs was amazing and yet with a better team Lebron James lost in the semis. So is that Lebron's fault that he lost to Orlando? I don't disagree. T-Mac is not Magic johnson or Michael Jordan. He is an elite player nonetheless. However, even with those players I don't see the Rockets winning a single championship.
Kobe averaged 0.7 less shots a game than t-mac did 02-03. That season was also Kobe's second most in FGA per game so the Shaq excuse doesn't really work. T-mac was also more efficient than Kobe even though he had Shaq demanding so much attention.
Too bad the MVP voters, voted Kobe ahead of T-Mac http://www.nba.com/news/duncan_mvp_030504.html Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 8 13 41 35 15 496 Tracy McGrady, Orlando 4 12 30 46 15 427 Difference is LeBron has already proved he could take a team to a championship. What has Tracy ever proven in this league? He could win a couple of scoring titles? That's cool, because even Allen Iverson has won a couple of scoring titles. All we've ever asked for T-mac to do is to lead us to the 2nd round, and he's never done that. Really, is it that hard of a responsibility? You can't play any card for that. He's play in the Eastern and the Western Conference and has failed both times. I will give credit for T-Mac stepping his game a bit in the playoffs, but if you lose you lose. Plain and simple, There are no morale victories for putting up good stats, and there are no morale victories for ALMOST beating a team. Live with it.
LMAO at you if you take MVP votes seriously. Really? please tell me this is a joke post. MVP voters consist of BSPN "analysts." These guys gave the MVP to allen iverson in 00-01 and DPOY to Marcus Camby. Jalen freakin Rose gets to vote for MVP. At It is pretty hard to make it past the second round when Yao let's Boozer average 25 a game and 9 rebounds a game and decides to miss the entire 08 playoffs. Fun fact: You know who else never made it past the first round? Grant Hill. You know who else never made it past the first round for the first 11 seasons of his career? Kevin Garnett. Heck KG couldn't even make it to the damn playoffs since 04 until he got traded to the Celtics. What a scrub.
Well I said TO a championship, not win a championship. Although there are no victories for making to a big stage and losing. It's further and more of an accomplishment than what Tracy ever had done or ever will do. Reality is, LeBron James is already a Top 50 player to ever play maybe even better, Tracy McGrady? Not at all. You can fall in love with his stats, PER, whatever all you want. But at the end of the day most people judge you by the hardware you won. The championships, the MVPs, the Finals MVPs, and Tracy McGrady has none of the above.
I agree. Was just clarifying on the definition of that statement. Tracy has always had the talent, but misused it at best and completely abused it at worst. I'm not about to jump to his defense.
Well Michael Jordan did win 5 MVPs along with Bill Russell and Kareem won 6. All Three of those guys are Top 5 players to ever play the game. So, yeah I do take MVP votes a bit serious. I don't use it to determine who's a better player, but it's useful to determine who was more valuable than another player that season. Yao Ming also had 25/10 of his own, He may have played poor defense against Boozer, but he was very productive offensively. Grant Hill never made it past the 1st round, but I'm sure it would be a different story if he wasn't injured those years and both him and T-Mac wouldn't be 2nd round virgins if Hill was healthy in the playoffs. Kevin Garnett had to play with a bunch of tomato cans. Difference between him in T-Mac is pretty big. Kevin Garnett is a passive player on the offensive end and an unreliable closer. He's a player that focuses a lot on the intangibles, the defensive side and the rebounding side. He's not a very good #1 scoring option or a closer. That's always been questioned his entire career until he ended up winning the Finals with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. Kevin Garnett is not a more reliable scorer or closer than Tracy and that's why most people do not rag on Kevin Garnett for not making the 1st round as much as T-Mac. And along with that when Kevin Garnett was given decent teammates in 2004. He managed to win the MVP that season and along with that he managed to make it to the WCF only to lose to that 4 HOF Player team Los Angeles Lakers. Not to mention Sam Cassell was injured for most of the series, so who knows what would've happened. Kevin Garnett may have not been the best and most reliable option as the Lead dog, but he is one of the greatest second fiddles to ever play and along with that Kevin Garnett has proven what he could do with a good supporting cast. For past years, we have been surrounding Tracy with good supporting cast and he has yet to take advantage of it.
First of all if you truly believe Bill Russell is a top 5 player of all time then you shouldn't be taken seriously anymore. Second of all Kobe wasn't even the most valuable player on his own team and you're trying to tell me Kobe was more valuable than t-mac in 02-03? Yao gave up 25 and 10, while only scoring 25 and getting 10 rebounds against a guy 9 inches shorter than him. You call that productive? I call it embarrasing. So G. Hill is excused from never making it past the first round because he COULD have made it past the first round if so and so happened, but t-mac isn't? That's a huge double standard. T-mac has never really had much support. Yao was his best teammate ever and he never delivered in the playoffs and somehow it's tmac that gets all the criticism.
Wow. If you have ever watched an NBA game, you will understand that height doesn't give you a huge advantage... If you have ever seen Chuck Hayes play D on these "giants", you'll understand what I mean. 25 and 10 is productive. Yao is no rebound machine, but he can score. It's unrealistic to think he's going to put up anything higher than a 25/15. You sir have lost all credibility.
I was a Tracy McGrady fan before I ever watched a basketball game in my life. I had this poster with some NBA All-Stars in my room with McGrady (Orlando) on it and just his style on the poster was so cool to me he was already my favorite. I was like 8 back then lol. Then when I started watching NBA T-Mac was traded to Houston and when I was watching him play I was so amazed. His style of play looked so smooth, he was so athletic but so good at shooting at the same time. He could score how he wanted but it looked effortless. His jumper was so good looking to me so when I started playing for real at the park I was so trying to be like him. Since then he've been my favorite player even in '08 playoffs the guy was just amazing to watch displaying amazing skills. So yes I still believe in T-Mac even though he tend to blame his teammates he is just a one kind of a player(ok looks like Penny lol). Just imagining him to be like in 2007-08 would be amazing.
Give me 5 players better than Bill Russell. Let me guess, you are one of those people that believe he's overrated right? Because of his stats? Kobe wasn't the most valuable player on his team that's why in the MVP votings he was ahead of Shaq, I thought I already said T-Mac was more valuable than Kobe that season and was better, but Kobe has always been better aside from that season. Grant Hill had to play on Piston teams with Bison Dele as the 2nd best scorer and after those long injuries, he played with the Suns. There is no double standard, he was never favorite to win a series either like Tracy was in 07. If 25/10 is not good enough to get you out of the 1st round, then that player must really suck or that player must need a lot of things. You don't think Kobe would've been able to take out the Suns in 2006 or 2007 if he had Yao? Hell, he probably would've made the Finals with Yao as his 2nd option. Word.
AI led his team to the NBA finals as well and actually won a game in the finals. This is like me saying Chris Paul is a terrible player for letting his team lose by over 50 points in a playoff game. But why do you put all the blame on T-Mac? @ Bizzle Rocket, Current Kobe > Current T-Mac. Kobe would have taken last year's Rockets to an NBA title. The rockets of 2 years ago however, would also probably have lost in the first round with Kobe demanding a trade.
